Synbad wrote:
ScottSaunders wrote:
Synbad wrote:
yeah ... take on the govt so 20k can go to the footy.. cos its a resource people actually need where it is.... cos within 5 km there are abother 2 much better and bigger... and people from the outter suburbs have to all come in to the city. if you actualy are abreast of whats going on ... the plan is to have a few other clusters of interest in the outter suburbs...not have this massive hub in the cetre of melbourne ....
but yeah.... youre an expert...
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it is called a sporting precint, becuase it is just that, and it is the best way for the vast amounts of sports to be played. it allows access for all to attend. not just one side, .Storm, Victory, the tennis and the MCG is the perfect way to run it for most sports/clubs, central and easy for all in victoria to get to. by the way i oppose the new a-league side being in melbourne - stupid decision IMO, what happens when they play each other? who has the home end? for them to viable they need their own stadium, and need to be region based, either geelong or gippsland etc. As it i think they a-leauge would be better suited going with a tassie side rather than a second melbourne side.
[edit] think that someone is going to travel from sydnham to cranbourne to watch a game of footy?
FFS, the only reason melbourne is training at Casey, is becuase the local council, stupidly IMO, is paying them 1.5 mill to do so. they arent out here becuase they think its an untapped resource, they are here becuase they are getting 1.5 mill. [edit]
it maybe what they want to do, the AFL creating these clusters, but just as their decision to close PP was stupid, so is their desire to create a market in these places.
the people living in these areas arent new people, they arent immigrints straight of the boat, all of them alreayd have their sides, and having a "local team" isnt goign to change that fact and suddenly seem them stop going into the city to watch carlton play, becuase Casey Dragons is taking shape.
going into these markets isnt going to be the saviour that some seem to think it will be.
even for a new a-league club.
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Look Mr Saunders... you reckon what this city needs the state govt to do is build yet another footy ground next to the other two???
Look you continue playing your Sim City ok???
Talk to me when you get a clue...
yeah dont worry groo, synners and i go way back
i usually get told to shut up by the mods more times that not, its not that im an asshole or rude, its just my style
meet me in person and no doubt we will have a chat like i have with many people
anyways, back to synners.
im not saying they should rebuild it now, im saying they had it, it was there to be used, it was a cheaper alternative for the AFL and the clubs to use, but the stupidity of the AFL and other clubs saw its use diminish and with it the club.
and im still yet to hear of a reasonable arguament as to why it couldnt have been used by all clubs for the lower drawing crowds. and in light of recent discussions and considerations or admissions if you will, by the AFL, it just proves my point at the times.
at the time, the sole argument was, clubs and supporters didnt want to go there, and that TD represented the holy grail for all struggling clubs, and here we are, not 5 years latter, TD isnt the holy grail, and the AFL has backed itself and the clubs into a corner, all becuase they where stupid and pig headed and did everything in its power to screw over Carlton and remove any power that Calrotn once had over the AFL.
i have always opposed the move to TD. i said it then, and i say it now, we should have played all victorian based clubs at MCG, and perhaps Brisbane, WC, Adelaide etc.. to be played at PP. Im still yet to here an argument as to why we couldnt do that, other than the AFL tells us where to go and when ... and i said it then and i say it now, thats rubbish. Not a year was passed after our move, and Collingwood, the shining lights, got the exact deal we wanted.
It was however in the interest of the AFL for us to move to TD rather the MCG, and we got played, just like all the other clubs got played, and now (at least we arent crying poor over the deal) the clubs are screaming for money, you cant go a week without hearing about the financial plight of the western bulldogs or north. both who did play games at carlton at once stage, but got sold the dud by the AFL and are now complaining about it.
are these clubs so flowering stupid that they dont look into these deals and see them for the dodgy shit they are ... if the presidents had more balls they would demand alot more of the AFL.
And the other clubs could have gone down a simailr path, but no, they where to stupid back then and believed the DUD they where sold by the AFL.
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If the AFL as an entity had of lobbied as one then the chances of it happening would have been very good. However, that wasn't the case so in essence the chances of it happening were nil, zilch, nada, none. It all could have been so much different if we had a diplomatic president at the time, lets just say he was about as diplomatic as Stalin but without the ultimate power. He backed this great club into a massive corner that now we are only just starting to poke our head out of.
