Can we get rid of our pokies

Rod Waddell · **Joined:** Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1650

Blue Boys wrote:

Anencephalic wrote:

Sure when our players play for free.

I would prefer not to follow football than watch games or football related programs with advertising shoved in my face. People have the right to gamble, smoke, drink... but when it's the taxpayer who has to pay billions in health and social services then the government has the right to impose greater regulations.

Pokies are a great little earner for the government

camel · **Posted:** Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:27 am

SurreyBlue wrote:

Ignoring your first sentence and staying on the subject at hand.
'If' the club was in a position of financial power such as Collingwood or Hawthorn, who by the way make more money from pokies than we do, I feel we could be in a position to pick and choose. We cannot at this minute. Having said that, I still don't believe we need to play 'alter boys' on this matter because some society members can't cope with a legal practise. I do however get the feeling your stance on this is more related to Mathieson and such billionaires than the actual subject matter?

I don't know Bruce Mathieson, he might be a great guy, my problem is not with him so much, as it is on the club continually relying on people who treat the club as a plaything. It could be Bruce, it could be Richard, it could be John. It doesn't matter. I'd prefer the club to have a leadership and management model we could all be proud of.

camel · **Posted:** Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:27 am

Rod Waddell wrote:

Blue Boys wrote:

Anencephalic wrote:

Sure when our players play for free.

I would prefer not to follow football than watch games or football related programs with advertising shoved in my face. People have the right to gamble, smoke, drink... but when it's the taxpayer who has to pay billions in health and social services then the government has the right to impose greater regulations.

Pokies are a great little earner for the government

That's partly why they remain legal.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

camelboy wrote:

Rod Waddell wrote:

Blue Boys wrote:

Anencephalic wrote:

Sure when our players play for free.

I would prefer not to follow football than watch games or football related programs with advertising shoved in my face. People have the right to gamble, smoke, drink... but when it's the taxpayer who has to pay billions in health and social services then the government has the right to impose greater regulations.

Pokies are a great little earner for the government

That's why they remain legal.

EFA

Arnhem blues · **Posted:** Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:54 pm

I understand the line (that has floated occasionally through the thread) that people are grown ups and can make their choice and so if they get addicted its really their problem. But I think it is a 'lowest common denominator' type argument. We all have choices (not just those with issues that lead to addictions) and so why don't we make a choice that adds some sort of value in the world rather than pokies - which contribute nothing particularly wonderful.
I would think that if pokies were taken off the table it may provide some momentum to find something else - to be creative with a solution. I think they are currently a relatively 'easy fix' and so there is little drive to come up with an alternative. Mind you I readily confess I have zero business acumen and would not know how to start - but would hope there exist businessmen within our fold who would.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:17 am

Arnhem blues wrote:

I understand the line (that has floated occasionally through the thread) that people are grown ups and can make their choice and so if they get addicted its really their problem…

There's also this theory, which is gaining momentum:

Quote:

But there’s also a more insidious mechanism at work here: the basic characteristics of poker machines, combined with constantly refined game features, stimulate the brain in a way that, in many cases, leads to addiction with symptoms similar to those associated with cocaine use.

http://theconversation.com/bright-light ... lind-49143

Effes · **Posted:** Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:40 pm

Anti-gambling vigilantes targeting AFL clubs, starting with Carlton

Football clubs that make millions from poker machines are being targeted by anti-gambling vigilantes trying to highlight the damage pokies do to families.

Protests at AFL club-owned venues will begin on Saturday with campaigners to target Carlton-owned venues first, urging them to at the very least erect screens so children who are dining at the bistro in the clubs cannot see the poker machines.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/antig ... z3sfwQS3lE
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kingkerna · **Posted:** Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:03 pm

Technically sporting clubs should have been the primary venues for pokies. Then the government went and allowed pubs and companies that operate pubs to have them. Not only did this make them too accessible it killed off plenty of great music venues and pushed too many people into the city causing other problems.

I think we should apply for the second casino licence and operate a gaming room. Mainly poker, perhaps cash games of those dice games that Greeks like, would be marvelous.
Fevola as pit boss, big nick as cashier, sticks behind the bar.

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

First paragraph is spot on, minus the financial jugger naughts these things were just a way to get by. As much as I like Jeff Kennett, this was his single biggest mistake and feel confident his good work with beyond blue is a byproduct of that decision to make it mainstream.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:49 pm

Effes wrote:

Anti-gambling vigilantes targeting AFL clubs, starting with Carlton

Football clubs that make millions from poker machines are being targeted by anti-gambling vigilantes trying to highlight the damage pokies do to families.

Protests at AFL club-owned venues will begin on Saturday with campaigners to target Carlton-owned venues first, urging them to at the very least erect screens so children who are dining at the bistro in the clubs cannot see the poker machines.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/antig ... z3sfwQS3lE
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Quote:

The AFL declined to comment.

Gee, now there's a surprise. :roll:

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10482

Effes wrote:

Anti-gambling vigilantes targeting AFL clubs, starting with Carlton

Football clubs that make millions from poker machines are being targeted by anti-gambling vigilantes trying to highlight the damage pokies do to families.

Protests at AFL club-owned venues will begin on Saturday with campaigners to target Carlton-owned venues first, urging them to at the very least erect screens so children who are dining at the bistro in the clubs cannot see the poker machines.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/antig ... z3sfwQS3lE
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bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13684

Just looking at the loss table in that article sickens me. Both The Club and West Waters are in my suburb. No more that 3km apart and collectively they have lost the community 17.5 million. Just shocking.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23911

camelboy wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Ignoring your first sentence and staying on the subject at hand.
'If' the club was in a position of financial power such as Collingwood or Hawthorn, who by the way make more money from pokies than we do, I feel we could be in a position to pick and choose. We cannot at this minute. Having said that, I still don't believe we need to play 'alter boys' on this matter because some society members can't cope with a legal practise. I do however get the feeling your stance on this is more related to Mathieson and such billionaires than the actual subject matter?

I don't know Bruce Mathieson, he might be a great guy, my problem is not with him so much, as it is on the club continually relying on people who treat the club as a plaything. It could be Bruce, it could be Richard, it could be John. It doesn't matter. I'd prefer the club to have a leadership and management model we could all be proud of.

thus.

woof · **Joined:** Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:51 am **Posts:** 4919

bluechucky wrote:

Just looking at the loss table in that article sickens me. Both The Club and West Waters are in my suburb. No more that 3km apart and collectively they have lost the community 17.5 million. Just shocking.

Good for jobs in the community.
Would not mind seeing were that 17.5 million goes because a lot of it does not end up at the CFC.
My cricket club gets sponsored by a pokies venue and we run 9 junior cricket teams with the money they provide.
We have over 100 kids playing cricket in an area were people don't have much money (not because of pokies), the kids don't pay to play and we provide all the equipment. We would lose 70% of those kids if we had to ask the parents to make a contribution.
Hopefully this makes you feel better.

murraycray · **Posted:** Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:43 pm

When are they picketing the TABs ?

camel · **Posted:** Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:42 pm

murraycray wrote:

When are the picketing the TABs ?

The problem is not so much gambling as a whole (although there is WAAAAAYY too much gambling advertising on TV), but rather the addicitve nature and pre-programmed designed to lose aspect of pokies. It should be pretty easy to work that out.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

I find punting on greyhound races addictive. I've wasted money on that.

murraycray · **Posted:** Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:43 am

Before Joan Kirner introduced Pokies into Victoria, hundreds of Coaches weekly took Vic punters to the clubs in NSW. usually around 50 punters per Coach.
The clubs in Albury, Howlong, Corowa, Mulwala, Barooga, Moama, Mathoura and Deniliquin subsidised the trips. Punters could get a trip away for as little as $10 for the weekend. Transport, Accommodation and meals ''paid for''.
Usually these trips included visits to other places of interest in the area as well as pokie venues.

Interestingly not all of the ''punters'' actually played the pokies. Preferring to kick back, have a feed, a few drinks, and maybe a stroll around town.

When Vic pokies started,There were consequences for some of the clubs, Albury Bowling Club merged with North Albury footy club, and eventually Corowa Bowling Club closed as a pokies venue (because it was run by idiots), their machines going to Corowa RSL, which expanded to house them.

Premier Kirner wanted the revenue going into NSW to remain in the Victorian (Gov) coffers, So Voila, Vic Pokies.

Point being, people WILL access poker machines, whether At Home Or Away !...........good name for a TV show. :wink:

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:50 am

dane wrote:

I find punting on greyhound races addictive. I've wasted money on that.

Even punting on Dapto dogs is addictive.

You cant save people from themselves.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Save me!

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