Ok Surrey. Campo's tackle count this year is 6 (from 6 matches).

Let's compare him with the rest of the list (who've played similar number of games) - brackets - denotes number of games:

Betts - 8 (6)
Carrazzo - 11 (6)
Deluca - 11 (7)
Davies - 11 (5)
Fevola - 14 (5)
French - 20 (7)
Houlihan - 10 (7) - but 1 in the last 3 weeks
Johnson - 14 (5)
Koutoufides - 25 (7)
Lappin - 16 (7)
Scotland - 13 (5)
Stevens - 21 (7)
Teague - 24 (7)
Waite - 12 (7)
Walker - 13 (4) - not including rd 1 when injured early
Whitnall - 11 (7)
Wiggins - 20 (7)

From these stats, it can be seen that the forwards probably aren't exerting enough pressure. But the midfield has been relatively disappointing. Let's compare that to Luke Ball - 32 (7), Lenny Hayes - 32 (7), Joel Corey - 27 (7), Mark Coughlan - 25 (7).

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Ouch, nicely spotted Clem.

In Surrey's defence (am I really writing that... ) Campo did lift his tackles last year with a career high 74 (next best was 48 in 2002). In four games last year he had tackle counts of 7 or above.

Which begs the question:

Why isn't he laying tackles this year?

New pair of ski boots perhaps?

Denis had Campo playing quite a few run with roles last year, hence his unusually high number of tackles for that season.

Someone mentioned on this site last week that Sticks said that Campo is being played on the wing this year by Denis.

Hence, a far different role again than last year.

May account for some of the heightened perceptions of his playing style this year.

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ALL OUR PLAYERS have been DOWNHILLE SKIERS this year.
My point being, why just concentrate on Campo & Red. Kouta, Scotland, Stevens are our midfield and I can guarantee you that none have exerted enough pressure on the opposition this year. Red has been just marginal infront of Fev. Surprised by that. "Golden boy" doesn't get nearly enough sh*t thrown down his way as Red. WHY? because many here still refuse to have there own opinion on different prespectives.

I will call it as I see it and if my favourite player is not pulling his weight, he will not be spared. That's what I'm talking about. OUR SENIOR PLAYERS (ALL OF THEM) have been more than disappointing so far and it's no coincedence when they lift and play ONE quarter of football we tend to win.

It is very hard to lay a tackle when you're 4 metres from the clearance waiting for the ball. We have / had too many 1 dimensional players in our team, works well for the right match-ups but when threatened we've really only got Kouta who can do it all!

bv when richmong had 4 goals to our none i would manned that bloke up, i would have manned them all up and just sit on it for a quarter or two.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Yes but l am sure that the Ball, Hayes, Corey, Coughlan, etc make their tackles stick Not like our rather flimsy attempts at swatting flies

Just on that who is our (i) midfield coach and (ii) tackling coach ? We just have not made sufficient inroads in these areas for a long long while.

I'd say that Libba is probably our tackling coach

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I thought Libba would make a difference in our tackling and our aggressiveness at the ball and the player. I expected to see some Libba's out there annoying the sanity out of opposition players.

We don't even have a Frankie at the moment. Our taggers are too nice, much like the rest of the team. Pagan needs to make them angry.

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Perhaps he's starting simply and just teaching the "eye gouge" first.


just kidding

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great discussion everyone.... like other posters I find myself agreeing with almost everything anyone has said.

If I was to make some changes they would be as follows:

play houlihan in the middle of the ground for the rest of the year...he was sensational against port adelaide

play campo off half back...i reckon we struggle against small forwards and he is quick enough and I think disciplined enough if he is tagging to get the job done. Also, he won't cop tagger himself which always makes him get the shits and lose concentration

play a 2nd tall defender & whitnall at half-back. we have had the most goald kicked against us in the AFL and we just can't play teams with only the magnificent Bret Thornton as out only tall defender. Let me just say that Bret Thornton is now my favourite player as he bleeds blue, but Teague and Bret are asked to do way too much. We just have to play 3 of diggers/whitnall/thornton/livo each week in defence. Yes I know Diggers doesn't deserve a game, but watching teague give away 6 inches and 20 kgs to Stafford does not breed confidence.

This will leave Waite, Fevola & Deluca in the Fwd line and I think, especially at TD, this can do the job for us.

Give Walker a chance to shine in the middle. Let Walker off the leash to play in the middle as he is the future of our club. play Adam Bentick another future midfielder.

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He was great off HB during the Mickey Mouse Cup too.




I take your point, but with Diggers he'd give away 4 inches and 10-15 kilos on a guy like Stafford anyway wouldn't he?! We're never going to have the personell to handle the super talls. I'd still like to see Young Vin get a run at CHB, even if it was just for a bit of a game.

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I'm with RodW on the tackling..pathetic...it was fairy like

..re:..supertalls and our personnel....why wouldnt you include Bryan and give yourself a supertall to match up with Stafford and Simmonds down forward. Why do we accept this ? year after year..its the same story.. Its not rocket science...Stafford should be picked up by a player of equal physical stature ie Bryan or Deluca..we did have the personnel..the stupid MC....dont seem to get it.....what was it before Teague on Tredrae, last year Teague on Rocca....
How can you win games with that type of selection..I guess Teague better look forward to Ottens or King this week...or if he gets lucky he might get the shorter Cam Mooney....

BV,

Who was our loose man while they had a man in our 50.

Barnaby?

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Why reward players who dont deserve the opportunity?
If Bryan isnt getting a game, he is either not good enough or not following instructions.
I suspect it is the latter.

Like Ricky Mott, he needs to learn how Pagan wants the game played.
We just dont have the personnel.

If the fringe players arent working hard enough, I fully support Pagan leaving them out.
A win this week is less important than long term list development.
Bryan needs to establish a physical game and do it fast.

Carlos was brought into the side to create a physical contest I suspect.
He struggled to do so and will sadly pay the price.
We need someone to bang bodies and Bryan needs to do so to take the next step.

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So putting Teague on Stafford is working?......why dont we just ruck Teague and kill the poor bugger and get it over with....

Has Bryan been that poor in the bullants?....how many years/games do we continue like this.....I think he does deserve the opportunity based on the fact we are murdering some of our players by playing them on opponents who are not suitable.
What did we recruit Bryan for?....is he the new Andrew Merrington...to be talked about but never actually be seen in the seniors unles the injury list is two pages long...

I agree you earn your spot but there has to be room for common sense somewhere...

I believe this song explains why Libba should not be our Tackling coach.

Short People
Randy Newman


Short people got short tackle
Short people got short tackle
Short people got no reason to live

They got little hands
In your Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
Tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people round here

Short people are just the same
As you and I
(A Fool Such As I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's a wonderful world)

Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody to love

They got little baby legs
They stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time (in the eye)

Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people' round here

StickafterSiren;

I agree with Houlihan further up the ground. His run and finishing is a must need and that is an understatement. I am of the old school anyway so "quarter back" half backs don't sit will with me.
I don't agree with Campo or Whitnall up half back. Danger....with capital "D". Campo is just not the accountable type and his drive and run is again beneficial furhter up the ground. For us to win matches, WHITNALL needs to be @ CHF. His our best option and keeps the opposition defenders concentrating. Sorry but we still want to win, right?

IMHO Our best team is;
Carrazzo Livingston Teague
Sporn Thornton Wiggins (this would be my halfback line, honest/tough/attacking) Old school.
Houlihan Camporeale Scotland
Lappin Whitnall Waite
Fisher Fevola Davies
French Koutoufides Stevens
Betts Walker DeLuca One of (Chambers/Simpson/McGrath).

Maybe we need 26 running out for the Ants and no bench for the seniors.

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SurreyBlue, I agree with most of your points but i just don't think Whitnall is fit enough or capable enough at present to playe CHF.

I mentioned in a previous post that I watched the Wizard Cup match vs Melbourne and he looked far more confident when closer to goal. He was willing to leap for marks and set up play with a nice goal to Betts in the first quarter.

If at CHF i think he gets exposed.

It is either FF or the bench for me.