218 - Carrazzo
212 - Scotland
144 - Waite
142 - Houlihan
126 - Simpson (5th)
94 - Fevola
90 - Fisher
86 - Bentick
74 - Gibbs
58 - Walker (10th)
53 - Murphy
43 - Lappin
42 - Bannister
36 - Koutoufides
33 - Betts (15th)
30 - Bower
26 - Thornton- 7th last year
25 - Stevens
22 - Saddington
18 - Jackson (20th)
16 - Whitnall
15 - Kennedy
10 - Ohailpin
9 - Hartlett
6 - Wiggins (25th)
6 - Blackwell
6 - Russell
4 - Young
4 - Jamison
2 - Cloke (30th)

0 - Hampson
0 - Austin
0 - Ackland

How Waite finished ahead of Fisher is mind boggling. Anyway congrats to Carazz. Well done and richly deserved.

Waite was appaling in some games.

i think fisher's consistency wasn't rewarded, he didn't really have a bad game but he only had 2 or 3 great games with about 15 very good games. if it was the old system of a 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 voting system i'm sure fish would have faired a lot better. as for waite, i think his 3rd placing was justified but there's no doubt the voting system suited him a lot more than it did fish.

If you have a look at the TC MVP, Fisher only got votes in 3 games throughout the season compared to Waite's 7. This is reflected in the B&F votes as well. Not sure what point I'm making, but we can't really complain about Fish being lower than Waite when TC voted exactly the same way.

Cause you don't rate him at all

I stated that he can be brilliant at times and abysmal at others. This does nothing to change my mind.
Out of 22 games this year, he appeared in our best players 6 times. Heath Scotland was in our best players 12 times.

That and the fact that he was leading the AFL for errors confirms to me that his best and worst are too far apart to be a top quality player.

By the way, I also stated that Whitnall should be traded last year after winning the B&F. You would have struggled to comprehend that one as well no doubt.

yeah nah i agree with you, the point i was trying to make was that giving votes from 5 down has worked against fisher and for waite, in saying that i believe waite did actually have a better season.

You ever happy?

Great stuff Carrazz a worthy winner. There will be no best and fairest curse for Andrew.
Also great years by Houla and Scotland both deserved to finish as high as they did. Houla was probably unlucky not to finish 3rd.
How the crack did Lance Whitnall get 16 votes?? I'm convinced we still have some dummies left in high places at the carlton footy club.
Any proper club by now would have retired him.

Ratten did a presentation about what he wants for nex year.

Was really happy to hear him mention that he will be putting the acid on 3rd 4th and 5th year players to provide the improvement needed in the team to climb the ladder next year.

Mr Pratt also mentioned that the players could expect the mother of all end of season trips if they make the eight next year.

Cause you don't rate him at all

How Waite finished ahead of Fisher is mind boggling. Anyway congrats to Carazz. Well done and richly deserved.

Dont put words in my mouth.
I stated that he can be brilliant at times and abysmal at others. This does nothing to change my mind.
Out of 22 games this year, he appeared in our best players 6 times. Heath Scotland was in our best players 12 times.

That and the fact that he was leading the AFL for errors confirms to me that his best and worst are too far apart to be a top quality player.

By the way, I also stated that Whitnall should be traded last year after winning the B&F. You would have struggled to comprehend that one as well no doubt.

His disposal is too sloppy, runs over the ball too much, goes to ground too often and has too many brain explosions.
He is a worthwhile wildcard up forward but shouldnt be let near the backline.

If he wasnt a F/S, I'd trade him in a heartbeat.

He made 6 critical errors. More than anyone on the ground. AGAIN!
Unfortunately it is a common occurence for Jarrad.
If we could get a second round pick for him, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Waiteys been making the same mistakes consistently for years.
You stick to blind faith and I'll support the rebuilding of a strong team.

I personally think Jarrad Waite has a long way to become a very good player and have thought so for years. He fails to understand his limitations and too often tries to do the miraculous when the percentage play is the best option.
As I stated earlier, he is a worthwhile wildcard up forward at the moment but I would take an early 2nd rounder (18-25) for him no worries.
Unfortunately he is one of those players who doesnt have a true position in the current game. He cant hold down a key position on a consistent basis and with Fish, Kennedy and Fevola in our future forwardline, I dont think we can afford another tall player with limited defensive abilities.

Jarrad has been named in our best players 6 times this year.
Now lets remember, up to 6 players get named in our best players each week!
Compare that to Scotland who has been in our best 12 times or a second year player like Murphy who has been in our best 11 times.

I doubt either of those 2 would be completely happy with their season but at least they offer some sort of consistency.

As Effes stated, Jarrad is leading the AFL for clangers. Sure his best is quite good but it is too often overshadowed by the very very poor.

Jarrad has been named in our best players 6 times this year.
Now lets remember, up to 6 players get named in our best players each week!
Compare that to Scotland who has been in our best 12 times or a second year player like Murphy who has been in our best 11 times.

I doubt either of those 2 would be completely happy with their season but at least they offer some sort of consistency.

As Effes stated, Jarrad is leading the AFL for clangers. Sure his best is quite good but it is too often overshadowed by the very very poor.

Basically because its a shit judging system. It rewards players that have stand out games rather than consistency.