I agree with you and if the players are unhappy then things need to be investigated and addressed

but this argument can be contered by

Pratt, Swann or Icke sitting down with each player and saying you play for Carlton FC, pull your flowering finger out and start playing for the jumper.

your idea will work better as too many afl footballer are pampered and spoilt 'brats', not all of them.

Wiggo IS more of a leader than Fev. No doubt about that. leadership is not just about skillset, its about setting the right example. And Wiggo definately tries his guts out.

Thornton is more of a leader than Fev.

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very, very perceptive BC !

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So they specifically said he is being suspended rather than dropped?

.... and being suspended basically according to the whole 'vibe' of what he is doing?

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Didn't affect Tarrents value everyone new what they where taking a risk with him Collingwood still got a first round pick plus a players in the super draft.

Fevola has another year left on his contract so the club inst going to trade him for nothing.

As stated before I don't believe the the suspension was regarding just the two 50 meter penalty but it didn't help.

What is the point of trying your guts out if you can't kick accurately more than 25 metres?

Wiggins kicking skills over anything more than 25 metres are below average for AFL standard.

You can only lead by what you can do on the field and if it has taken them this long to work out that Wiggins and others are sub-par - i really despair for this footballclub.

Why has it taken them this long to work out Gibbs shouldn't be played exclusively in the back pocket?

Or will he be there again this weekend?

I'm sure I saw Diesel give away 2 x 50's on more than one occasion.

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i would say his performance was the straw that broke the camels back. He has been too inconsistant for a number of years, Maybe this is the kick up the back that he needs.

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If you thinks its just about 2 50m penalties, your mistaken.

This wouldnt be a Pagan move. He hasnt dropped a good player for disciplinary reasons ever.

How do Murphy, Simpson, Caraazo, Gibbs feel, busting their arse to get the ball and get it forward and Fev goes for one handed marks, gives away frees and 50m, goes off at the umpire everyrtime he doesnt mark it?

Was dropping him the right action? Only time will tell.
Was doing nothing the best option? I doubt it

Didnt hurt Steve Johnson, Jeff Farmer or Nick Davis any.
If Fev is good enough, he'll come out of this a better player. I am optimistic he will.

What is being done to his trade value with performances like Saturday? Being dragged for poor discipline

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Hear! hear! There is some misguided belief here that the best player is automatically the best leader. Wiggins tries his heart out no matter what. He doesn't throw in the towel when things aren't going his way.

No one can and should deny that Fev has his childish spats. This needs to change and cannot continue for the good of the club. Fev needs to make a decision RIGHT NOW. Pour his heart into the Blues who he's been with for years, or pour his heart into another club and start all over again.

Next time you go to a game do yourself a favour and count how many times Thornton blames teammates for his opponent kicking a goal on him.
Oh, and Wiggo a leader!!! What has this club become!!

No organisation or Football Club needs individuals. Team sport and Fev needs to realise this . The Pagan issue will be addressed like all other Football Department issues.

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It won't do a thing. What we saw on Saturday is Fev, it will never change. However, if we were a successful team it would not be an issue, with a team playing well onfield discipline issues would be extremely rare and he would be winning many games off his own boot.

I just hope if the club does trade him that the trade is very good.

It would be a shame to see Fev lost to the club for next to nothing just because of a group of supporters held the bar too high.

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Good grief.

Don't think I'll be [REDACTED] going this week.

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hey the tankers should be happy

the anti tankers hsould be happy

the get rid of Fevs should be happy

the give Fev a chancers should be happy

so too

the get rid of Paganers

the keep paganers get some leadershipers

the when is the club going to do somethingers
the club is doing somethingers


its got more wins in this than christmas tree lights down Ivanhoe boulevard

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Jarusa, that is just rediculous. His value will probably increase if he can come back fully motivated and ready to do what is required. We have him contrcated for 18 months so the ball is in our court. Had he been uncontracted I'd be a little more reluctant to go too hard.

It's a no-lose situation. As exsing said, it's hardly a secret Fev's a goose .

Refer my conspiracy theory above.

I agree - I think the club did this well and I put that down to the current management of the club - never would have happened before.

I think they came right out and short-circuited further media bashing of CFC over Fevs performance (Wilson, Smith).

Don't forget, the Hawks suspended Hodge a couple years back.

I think this will be a good example to our team that no one is a favourite or above the team.

ps: gee, I wish there was two items for discussion during this conference however (*cough* Pagan OUT, Voss IN) - though I dont think Voss could come in being on Brisbane's list - but money can get anything.

So has he been suspended or dropped? You have mentioned both.

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I must say Synbad, with your thoughts regarding Pagan you have been 100%correct from the start!

What are we gonna do if we trade Fev? s Waite or Fisher going to take the best defender?.. The problem lies with Pagan because the players are fed up with the lack of direction!

We saw what the team were capable of against the port and bulldogs, obviously saying something about the players rather than the coach! I believe Fev has always had faith in Pagan as a coach, but he obviously doesnt anymore and is being burnt out!

Yes, Fevola's performance was cringe worthy and quite terrible but he's not the only 1 who needs to take a good hard look at himself! Make the hard decisions! Neale Daniher got the chop and he's done far better than Pagan over the last few years, Us Carlton supporters are sick of it, the team is stagnating, our best player is being burnt out there....

Fevola is a star, and will grow with a team thats flourishing! It's the direction of this footy club thats holding players like the Fev back...

FFS! Bring in someone with fresh ideas!! Someone with a clue!

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