Could be good for Fev.
Barry Hall was once a problem child

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Fev or Simmo while Lance is out.

One idea I still like is forming groups within the leadership group.

Lance would remain captain for next season and then you'd appoint Stevens, Fev and Scotland as Vice Captains and each of those VC's would have another 2 players and rotate each week to help out with media stuff and organising anything else that happens during the week

Whitnall (C)

1. Stevens (VC) Waite Gibbs
2. Fev (VC) Carazzo Murphy
3. Scotland (VC) Walker Fisher

So basically Gibbs, Murphy, Walker would have the benefit of working closely with a senior player, gain some practical experience and all the while we're taking the load and the pressure off Whitnall and covering some of his weaknesses.

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There is NO WAY Lance will be captain next year...
NO WAY!!!

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Just so we can focus on the idea...

Stevens (C)

1. Waite (VC) Thornton Gibbs
2. Fev (VC) Carazzo Murphy
3. Scotland (VC) Walker Fisher

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Ok im focussed...

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I like it Brad... but its too reveloutionary and it would freak out the traditionalists that are happy being behind the times.

I'm a big fan of rotating the captaincy for the rest of the year...as it really is a fill in role. Then next year I like Stevens or even Fev, with plenty of help from a young leadership group.

And I really wouldn't have any objections whatsoever with giving Fev a try. His passion would be infectious.

Let's face it, we don't bloody have any leadership qualities in our senior players, they won't make much difference in winning or losing, so might as well try out Murphy.

I think Hawthorn is an interesting model for us to follow.

They had two 'captains in waiting'...Hodge and Mitchell, yet went for the unfashinable Vandenberg instead. Hasn't done the club, nor Hodge or Mitchell, any harm. And remember, both Hodge and Mitchell were further advanced than Murphy and Gibbs when that decision was made (and Hawthorn still maintains that it will probably only be for next year that those guys are ready to become captain, and they are both best and fairest winners, Hodge an All-Australian, and Mitchell will be one by the end of this season).

Murphy and Gibbs are both 'captains in waiting'. Let them wait. Let them play. Let them develop, even if it means having a 'Vandenberg' type as captain in the meantime. While we will never know what the alternative might bave produced, Hawthorn's patience and restraint sees them as a legitimate top four contender a year, or possibly two, before that was anticiapted, and Hodge and Mitchell are stars.

Remember also all those who suggested Murphy should have been made captain for this season. Well, Murphy has neough on his plate learing the game, and how to break a tag, the last thing he would have needed on top of this was the pressure of captaincy.

Stevens will be captain next year (and IMHO will be a very good captrain). If Whitnall is out for games this year, rotate it through the leadership group, give them a game each, a taste, without the burden for more than a week.

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And if he is, well, I'll ban myself from AFL footy till Lance's reign finishes.

There is no way known I'm going to support those that could make such a stupid decision.

Not a hope in hell he'll be captaining in 2008, let alone playing.

I'd be surprised if Lance is offered a one year contract beyond 2007.

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I think that's a very good post. Except from memory, Hodge actually came out and said "I'm not ready". Gibbs is 18 and Murphy is still 19 (I think). I would be giving it to Stevens for 2-3 years, and if necessary, Fev for a couple of years after that.

Yeah, i agree there. But in the end murphy and gibbs will be capitan and vice

In the end, probably yes, (although personally I think people are underestimating Walker a little). But reaslistically I don't think either will be ready till their ~23.

Got sick of quoting, but spot on Siegfried and nightcrawler. Stevens to be captain until 2011, then we'll know about Walker, Murphy, Gibbs and any other possibilities that may arise in the coming years.

I reckon it depends on what the club wants to do with Fev....

If Fev is going to be offered during trade week this year, he will not be selected for the role...

This will really piss him off if he isn't selected make no mistake, and he is still upset at Lance getting it after his indescretions off the field.

If he is selected even as a fill in captain, then expect the big Fev to finish his career at the mighty blues..

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Fev being offered up at trade week? You have to be kidding. I'm assuming you're joking. Fev should get the Captain's job for the rest of the season and next season it should be shared between him and Stevo.
It's time to give our guys some responsibilty. Give them something to inspire them to greater heights. They have become to used to under achieving.
Under Pagan our players have become soft lifeless wimps because Pagan has always gone down the safe road. This road gets you no-where and instills nothing but complacency in the players.
Make the big calls (and here I don't mean stupid decisions) and put your trust in your players to live up to new challenges. Its the only way to develop as a team.

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As if Fev's going to get traded. No offence but that's ridiculous.

not much to lose by giving Fev a go

although Swann said on MMM on Friday night that a rotation was likely

And even though I am a fan of Lance's, I agree that it seems unlikely at this stage that he will be contracted for '08, let alone made captain

I think you are all getting it wrong... the format will be :

1 Captain

10-15 VC's aka 'Leadership group'


Which poses the questions with the 'leadership group' this year... too many chiefs?!

Fev and/or Stevens for mine. Murphy should be up there, but will not be lumped with the responsibility at such a young age... give him 3-4 years though...

It has happened, and will happen again without a shadow of a doubt.

Who would ever of thought that Plugger would of left Sydney, or that Alex Jezzalenko would of left Carlton....


Fev looks frustrated at Carlton, and maybe the heirarchy are tired of his body language.

Maybe after the Hawthorn game they have thought that they need to make some hard decisions this trade period to invest in the future...

He is in his prime ,and will be for the next 4 years you would think.

He would be worth a packet to a team having a crack at a flag.

It IS a possibility.

Remember the club is bigger than a player, and a good deal would set us up very nicely for the future make no mistake about it.

I believe we would be better off with the right deal.

The deal could be something like:

Richmonds first picks in the national and pre-season drafts + a quality midfielder (from another club).....Possibly someones 2nd rd pick as well...

We will most likely finish second last so this would set us up for the future big time if you add our picks....

By the time we get up to premiership contention Fev might be pushing 30, or he might even have a crack at punting. He may never reach the heights of the last 2 years, which i admit is unlikely, but who really know's???

One things for sure if the right deal can be struck, and i believe they will be lining up, we can be sure that we will have a red hot crack at the flag when we are ready.......Possibly against the Hawks.

Ps: I love the Fev and have been since i first saw him play when i saw the potential.

However, I love the club more................

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Please don't say those things...they make me feel nauseous. Really.