Goddard a CHB? I thought he just played loose acroos half back without oppenent. He doing alot better but not convinced about him as a great player. Unfortunate about the guy's knee though.

I think with Simmo and Fisher we near enough won out of that. If we got Goddard and Wells there's no guarantee that we would have picked up another mid-fielder at 45 (Simmo) and may have even passed at 72 (Fisher). On top of getting Walker, Stevens (PSD) and even Scotland in a trade for pick 35 the next year we got out of our draft penalities alot better than expected.

I shouldn't really post an opinion after having just got home from a losing game............again.......but.....

I'm really starting to wonder (I know it's probably premature)......about the value of Josh Kennedy; who was taken at pick 4 by us in the 2005 National Draft.....as compared to Paddy Ryder who was taken by Essendon* in the same draft at Pick 7.

Josh Kennedy....19; and 195cm and 99kg.

Paddy Ryder.....19; and 197cm and 89kg.

Both players from East Fremantle.

By all reports; Adrian Dodoro (Ess.recruiter); thought Ryder was the outstanding player in the Draft.....Mark Murphy included !

I don't believe that for a minute....Murph is already a great player; and will only get better.

I'm just wondering why we preferred Josh to Paddy, who seems to be a huge exciting talent who could be anything in the Buddy Franklin mould.

BTW.....Alwyn Davey at pick 36 in the same draft by Essendon* is already a great success for them........we did have the pick before him.....perhaps I'm just depressed that we did so well today; and someone like Alwn Davey could've given us a real spark.....especially without Eddie Betts.

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was waiting for somethign like this

dont watch mitch clarke in the brisbane game then

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I won't and I'm glad you didn't have to wait long.

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When has Ryder kicked a bag of goals like Franklin or torn a game apart in a quarter?

Josh Kennedy will make it and hasn't lost the talent that saw him labelled in many circles as the best forward in the 2005 draft. Alwyn Davey is a gnat compared to a bottom aged and 6'4" KPP in Austin who was labelled by Hughes as a brave player.

I'd rather have Austin after what I've seen in the VFL and AFL this year.

a guy at my work played against and with josh paddy and mitch

reckons

mitchell clarke is talented but has no work ethic whatsoever and is a piss head - doesnt really give a shit about footy

Patrick ryder - great athlete but soft , inconsistent and a a bit lazy

Josh Kennedy - hard working , great guy and a very good player - bit slow

of course this may not be relevant nowadays but it may be a look in to what our recruiters saw - josh was said to be the best worker and have the best character

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Ryder hasn't yet. Nor has Kennedy.

Who will be the first?

Who looks to have all the attributes of a Franklin?

That remains to be seen. Kennedy hasn't set the world on fire yet, let's hope he does and Ryder doesn't.

Mitch Clarke is having a good game tonight.

Paddy's sitting around in the back half as a loose third tall in a very experienced defence.

I don't rate what he's produced and I don't rate how little weight he's put on. Would be lucky to be 89 kgs as you say Warbs. Meanwhile Kennedy is 198 cms and more like 96 - 97 kgs. Next year he'll be 100 or so and a much, much better build.

Kennedy has plenty of time still to show what he's made of, as does Paddy.

As for Alwyn, superstar and champion of the world (who was drafted in 06), anyone who wants to know everything about Alwyn can go back and look at his goal of the year nomination against Collingwood.

Going on the footage, he and Scott Burns ran down the ball over roughly the same distance. Alwyn only just beat him out.

Alwyn will sputter his way to round 22 with his low endurance base, then lose what speed he has as he puts on the neccessary kilos to stay at this level.

He's slower than his brother now, his kicking is inferior (but it could well get better), his general play is inferior. He was a massive waste at pick 36, especially considering Nathan Krakouer was taken at 39.

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I still think back to Freo's rotten pedigree in recruiting.

"We'll give you Lloyd and Lucas for Ridley and Delaney"

Whoops

I'm all for blind adulation of our players, as is our right. But I remember in 2000 watching (jealously) in awe an 18 year old Jonathan Brown seven years ago, and I was lead to believe we were getting the same in Josh Kennedy.

So far, not so good. I hope not too much longer.

Don't forget that Brown had guys like Voss, Lappin and Akermanis delivering the ball to him, which would undoubtedly have helped his confidence.

So if we had recruited Brown in 1999 he would only be a shadow of the man he is today?

Not necessarily, because in 1999 we had Ratten, Bradley, Campo and Kouta driving the ball forward. So had he played in the navy blue jumpre he could be the exact same player he is now (it's just a theory of course). Sure, he wouldn't have those blokes anymore, but he'd be an elite player and would have a guy called Fevola standing next to him.

But my point is that Kennedy hasn't had the luxury of the ball being perfectly delivered to him by experienced and talented players. With the exception of Stevens, he's only had kicks delivered to him by 18-20 year olds still finding their feet.

Well I suppsose when The Tyrant tells us we have recruited the next J Brown, we have to discount the J Brown potential by the minus Voss/Aker/N Lappin/Black/Power factor.

Does that mean we end up with Brad Miller?

Not to mention the fact that Kennedy ISN'T Johnathan Brown, and bears no resemblance whatsoever. If this is the claim made Pagan made at the beginning he should be sacked just being an idiot.

As for Brad Miller, we would hope he turns out to be better sooner rather than later.

Kennedy hopefully will just be a late bloomer. But at the moment he doesn't look composed and makes stupid errors with his ball control. How can someone drop so many chest marks? Hopefully time and confidence fixes this part of his game.

There must be some embarrassed AFL recruiters around at the moment, but that is life and the future creates many draft stories and arguments.

In more recent times, the biggest one that effects Carlton is the 2005 draft. How we let Paddy slip to the scum?

Paddy Ryder is the real deal. Carlton supporters need to understand we let a future legend pass us. This guy is going to be fantastic. Take your Carlton hat off for a moment and you will know the truth. A lot of you can't handle the truth though.

Paddy's reading of the ball, his disposal, his marking and his presence of knowing where the opposition are, are all up there with the best. He is extremely agile for a big man. He can play ruck or play KPP, hell he could even have a run on the ball. This guy will become a legend of the game.

Kennedy has not shown much of the above has he? Anyone who knows anything about football would agree with the above. If you disagree then you a either blinded by Navy Blue or haven't got a clue about the attributes that make a good footballer.

Ryder will be a better player than Buddy Franklin. The 2008 season will prove me right. Check the Brownlow odds at the start of next season and least get something out of him because Carlton missed its chance.

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re: Alwyn Davey...been a good pickup, AFL ready and has some decent attributes...if he was our player we would be saying how great he was.
Without Eddie we lack a crumber with nous.....Eddie and Davey would have been a nice combo at times.
Davey has lifted Essendon* and you cant deny it even though some of us dont want to believe a so called hack from the SANFL can play....another random from the SANFL in Porplyzia did a number on us yesterday.Last week it was Thomas and Campbell.......

If there is another Davey at pick 36 next draft then maybe we should have a better look...

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Not picking up Alwyn Davey was an absolute crime. He has added a new dimension to the scum and has given them a new lease of life. I remember watching him on ABC2 and thinking "how good would this bloke be at an AFL club after a pre-season or two and some quality coaching", (not that he'd get that from Pagan).

Eddie is good close to goal with his snaps, and his running down of players should never be underestimated, but he is not electric.

Davey can work further up the ground, gets the lose ball dodges through traffic with great pace and poise and then runs straight at goal and finishes brilliantly....lifts the whole team....and it's great to watch.

Different types of players really.....and you can't tell me that we are not slow!

We could have afforded him on our lacklustre list easily.

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Why did Hawthorn and Collingwood let him slip if he's that good?

Dowler looks average at VFL level and Ellis hasn't shown anything other than a cameo performance in the seniors.

Yet we are the club that made the mistake.



Great to see people have moved on from overlooking Jetta for Hampson to Davey for Austin.

A shame you're all so short sighted.