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What is really sad, is that atleast now that the majority of people can see the problems, no-one is willing to put a ticket together or even worse, no-one has time to sit on a new ticket, to get the club back to where it should be. Amazing that so many influencial and powerful people cannot do this.


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It's really tough to see how the board can justify not handing over the keys to a new board when they have no way of generating the cash flow that would otherwise be injected should they go. They certainly had no problem compromising their autonomy by going cap-in-hand to the AFL. The sad thing is that most of the board is in self-preservation mode and not acting in the best interests of the Club. I really think if there is going to be a spill, it should be a complete spill. As it stands, however the board is composed is going to be tarnished by the events of the past five years (and in some cases longer). The Club needs to a new beginning. It's hard to know what could be driving Smorgan (as even he must acknowledge that since Collo left things have only gotten worse) and he doesn't strike me as a meglomaniac type that craves the attention. If anything this would only be hurting his business interests and his reputation.

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THS at Bigfooty reporting that Gleeson backflipped and voted with Smorgan? Can anyone confirm this? This is the unelected guy isn't it?


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I do not want the board to always be in agreement, indeed it is preferable that there is always differing opinions to some extent, but for the President to sling mud at other directors and then claim that once they a removed all will be well is farcical.

Mathieson wouldnt like to be slurred as he is certainly not a dolt but a potential long time benefactor. Diggins is also copping alot of rumour that she is the leaker when realistically it could be Sticks or anyone.

Dont take this as a measure of support for any directors as personally I would like a full spill

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What is really sad, is that atleast now that the majority of people can see the problems, no-one is willing to put a ticket together or even worse, no-one has time to sit on a new ticket, to get the club back to where it should be. Amazing that so many influencial and powerful people cannot do this.


Yes it's sad....but that's if you think that the fledgling new ticket has played its hand. Surely you don't think this is the only card up their sleeve?..or the Big Friday challenge? No way. Politics requires a process before execution.

What we know is that Smorgon has been after Diggins' head over a few weeks now, and that has nothing to do with the new ticket challenge. It's Smorgon shoring up his numbers on the board to maintain control and order (as he knows it).

We also know that there is a either an EGM in March or possibly with a 100 votes could even see an earlier challenge.

What we saw last night is not THE challenge to Smorgon. This is a softly approach to allow him to exit with pride with a good excuse (business commitments). A test of his resolve. What we can see though (if all the facts we've read are correct) is that there was 9 votes, then 5 votes, then possibly a new heir to the throne, aligning with Smorgon....Smorgon imo is playing politics to ensure that if a challenge happens it wont from a board dispute.

His pride, family name and reputatuion is at stake. He has too much to lose from a vote of no confidence by the board. This was never going to work, but as a test to give him an opportunity for a bloodless exit, then it was worth the test.

What does this imply? The challenge must come from the members. But this too has to be orchestrated by the new ticket and not the general populous, such as us on these forums. Patience is the key from a spectator point of view.

Another thing to consider (the most important) is the money factor. The money is still there, and it hasn't been used on the club whilst the current board is in place. So not all is lost, and the new ticket is still masked, and whilst there is silence there a more candidates being caanvassed for financial contributions; making their offer to the members insatiably tasty at election time.

Unfortunately for us, time is on the new tickets side.

I don't think Kernahan is a real problem, as I believe given his nature to avoid conflict and side with whoever weilds the power, he can be most important when the new ticket struts its stuff.

Kerna would know that if money was coming into the club it would be of great benefit to the clubs finances (understatement) as well as for the football department. It's a no brainer that this offer of salvation from the AFL and NAB, could only be a good outcome moving forward with 30 good kids on the list looking at the next decade.

He would side with the best offer. It's his nature...he's a football lover not a politician...sure flaky, but still really important to the football club when the ship is steady again.

Some people are very impatient, and others are calling shots they have no control over. Who do you really think Kerna would side with when all shots are fired and the cards of both sides are on the table for the members to decide? The money or the status quo.

Like everyone who is saddened by our financial status, we all know that private equity injected in the club is the only way to fast track our destiny with the 30 kids we have to return as the AFL's powerhouse.

Don't worry which day it will be when decsision time falls. One thing I expect is that it wont be Black Friday when it does.

In the meantime...we are going to have a great news story following the draft and Smorgon will hang on the coattails of this result...and that will be good for the club...that's good, but it will not deter a new ticket with holding the wildcard: the money and a debt free future.

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I don't think Kernahan is a real problem, as I believe given his nature to avoid conflict and side with whoever weilds the power, he can be most important when the new ticket struts its stuff.


He would side with the best offer. It's his nature...he's a football lover not a politician...sure flaky, but still really important to the football club when the ship is steady again."end quote


I think this is a bad not a good thing. Boards dont need ornaments they need decisive and effective thinkers.

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I don't think Kernahan is a real problem, as I believe given his nature to avoid conflict and side with whoever weilds the power, he can be most important when the new ticket struts its stuff.

Kerna would know that if money was coming into the club it would be of great benefit to the clubs finances (understatement) as well as for the football department. It's a no brainer that this offer of salvation from the AFL and NAB, could only be a good outcome moving forward with 30 good kids on the list looking at the next decade.

He would side with the best offer. It's his nature...he's a football lover not a politician...sure flaky, but still really important to the football club when the ship is steady again.

Some people are very impatient, and others are calling shots they have no control over. Who do you really think Kerna would side with when all shots are fired and the cards of both sides are on the table for the members to decide? The money or the status quo.


I'm starting to see Sticks as akin to the Secret Service. He supports the President at all times. Elliott and Smorgon are poles apart with the latter being part of the ticket to remove the former. Sticks was an Elliott man but here he is standing behind Smorgon against a ticket that presumably has the backing of some formerly Elliott aligned money men.

Sticks supports the club and therefore whoever is officially in charge of the club. It might not be a progressive stance or an informed stance, but he seems to be standing by his own personal code of ethics. If it all goes down and Sticks' popularity sees him voted back in, then he will just slide in place under the new president, no questions asked.

It seems Sticks' worth as a director is not business related, it is football related and is that of a prominent identity to make the supporters feel safe, and two different Blues factions have used that to their advantage so far.

As long as we accept that Sticks is not factional and will always side with the incumbents, we can strategise our way around that.


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Bondi is this coming from inside info or is it your interpretation of events?


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As long as we accept that Sticks is not factional and will always side with the incumbents, we can strategise our way around that.


Sticks has been a key man in overseeing the football department for the last 10 years. It is not good reading.
The club is in no postition to strategise around anything. No passengers please or token gestures on the board.


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Who do you really think Kerna would side with when all shots are fired and the cards of both sides are on the table for the members to decide? The money or the status quo.


All good in theory, but cast your mind back a few years to the demise of the Elliott regime, when Kernahan backed a losing horse, and a horse that was never going to win.

He stood up at that EGM and tried to defend Elliott. And as I have mentioned in previous threads, his performance in that speech was nothing short of attrocious. Yet he still got voted back in.

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If all Sticks want to do is stay on the board behind whoever then he has to have a long hard look at himself.

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I would hate these guys to be the dury in a court case if I was to receive the death sentance.


There's only one Dury.

I reckon they're all a bunch of blockheads.

Let's hit 'em with our rhythm sticks. :-D

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I think this is a bad not a good thing. Boards dont need ornaments they need decisive and effective thinkers.


Yeah I see your point of view bluehotel.

boards don't need ornaments. But in politics sometimes you need figureheads to create a conduit between the poulous and the party/ club; I think this the case with kerna...not his fault or doing....he just tries to please for the club.

Think Peter Garret...attracting young voters, changing the image of the labour party...yet he's a potential time bomb for them too.

Think Ronnie Reagen...he was a President FFS, with Alzheimers....do you think he wasn't an ornament...they surely didn't elect him for his intellectual property....an ornament to westerns, and those who grew up following weserns and/ or country and western.

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I'm starting to see Sticks as akin to the Secret Service


So secret that his own charter is secret to him

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Sticks supports the club and therefore whoever is officially in charge of the club. It might not be a progressive stance or an informed stance, but he seems to be standing by his own personal code of ethics.


And don't we need a dose of that around CFC!!

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It seems Sticks' worth as a director is not business related, it is football related and is that of a prominent identity to make the supporters feel safe, and two different Blues factions have used that to their advantage so far.

As long as we accept that Sticks is not factional and will always side with the incumbents, we can strategise our way around that.


I think he just gets caught in the crossfire...and probably knows only one thing...that that is part of the parcel.

Put it this way...he's not a political animal in the harshest sense...Rice, Elliot, Collins, Smorgon.

He hasn't done anything politically to offend me.

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Think Ronnie Reagen...he was a President FFS, with Alzheimers....do you think he wasn't an ornament...they surely didn't elect him for his intellectual property....an ornament to westerns, and those who grew up following weserns and/ or country and western.


I think you're wrong on Reagan. I don't agree with his politics but he wasn't the dolt people make him out to be. If you read some of the papers that HE wrote (as against had written for him) in the late 70s on foreign policy he was no fool. Misguided maybe but not in any way unintelligent.

Because of the Alzheimers and the "gipper" folksy stuff people wrote him off as a lightweight but he was clearly a lot smarter than people gave him credit for.

GWB is another thing all together.

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Bondi is this coming from inside info or is it your interpretation of events?


Sorry Mordan I can't find that quote in my post.

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Reagan was also a long time Governor of California and was not an idiot. His Voodoo economics, whilst with its justifiable critism, was to a degree effective.

The gipper suffered at the end but does that make all alzheimer patients basically dolts?

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Bondi is this coming from inside info or is it your interpretation of events?


Sorry Mordan I can't find that quote in my post.


Ah sorry bondi. I meant that I'd snipped out the post because I wasn't referring to any one particular point, but the whole thing and didn't think it needed repeating.

You stated quite a few things in a factual sense, and I just wanted to know if that was due to knowledge or just your take on the situation presented to us via the newspapers and TC.


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[quote="Italian Blue"]The numbers were in favour of Malouf being removed last time however Smorgan and Malouf hatched the Unity spin in the Herald Sun and the Directors got cold feet....

I was told and did mention it a while ago that Malouf was GAWN!

Believe it or not Lorraine Diggins has the best interest of the club at heart unlike a few down there. She was the only one to voice her concerns about the whole remove Denis and replace him with Mitchel saga and confronted Smorgon about it

I can confirm that Anthony Pratt is in melbourne and has plans to stay here....!!!!!


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