http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

surprise surprise

i sure hope this is the end of it

plus i hope grigg keeps his spot

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Not really concerned about Mclean...if he comes good then fine but I'd rather see us give some more game time to the Griggs of the world....

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its just a shame about the trade particulars - another example of the old Carlton sadly

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C'mon Blueboys!

It was no secret that he had medical issues before he came across from Melbourne. Who did his medical at Carlton and if this is a pre-existing or re-occurance of an old injury, are they taking responsibility?

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Yeah, curse old Carlton, the same 'Old Carlton' that got us Diesel, Earl, Clape, Dean Rice, Matty Hogg, Hickmott, Lappin........

What WERE we thinking????

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Wrong list. Thats the A team of recycled players. Brock is part of Team Dud , such luminaries as Digby, Jimmy, , Cain, Both Mick's and Cam etc, etc, etc

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I hope Essendon* folds.

KK, that stuff worked in the 'old' footy, before drafts, salary caps & list management.
That type of approach should be left in that era along with a few other practices at our club before we fall further behind the times

We just need to accept we stuffed up on this one - the ridiculous incompetence coming out one week before trade week started announcing the deal - what was the flower rush?!!? What we offered up. And then expecting the dees to reconsider after it dawned on us that we were paying overs

Simply unnacceptable and unforgiveable AFAIC

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Go back through the years and show me a premiership team that hasn't got a player from another club...........hard isn't it...............but that's the old days right?


right?


Sure this one might not work out, doesn't mean the whole theory is dead and buried.

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For me, it isn't a question of whether we should have gone after Brock, it's whether we gave up too much for him.

Brock brings hardness, endurance, footy smarts and leadership skills to our midfield...

But pick #11 for a player from the wooden spoon club who didn't make the top 10 of their B&F the year before, who has a history of injury problems, who has questionable pace and ability to spread, and who has no depth in his kicking...

If the Demons wouldn't deal for less than #11 (or at least agree to, say, Brock + #34 for #11 + #59, or similar), an alternative might have been to shift our focus to Luke Ball or even Shane Tuck, whom we might have been able to get for a lot less...

Anyway, I reckon in 12 months time we'll have a better idea as to whether this trade was a good idea. It didn't seem like a good idea at the time, it seems like a worse idea now, so fingers crossed Brock can have a better 2011....

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Superb Post.

Agree. We gave up too much. Shane Tuck for the 1/3 the cost would have been better recruiting.

I think Melbourne knew a lot more about McLean than we did. He was going to struggle for a game as Moloney plays his role much better. He is slow and injury prone, and has unremarkably been injured for most of his time at Carlton. It is the same mistake we made with other injury prone players such as Saddington and Hadley, but we only gave up picks in the 50s for them. We needed a durable, effective in and under player, we got a slow injury prone player who was going to struggle with his original club. We gave up way too much for a player with plenty of question marks next to his name.

We are partly paying for our insistence to only draft athletes. I think that is the way the game is going but every side needs a tough in and under player. Look at low draft picks or rookie picks like Boyd, Cross, Sewell, Tuck, Andrew Swallow etc. Yes drafting is hard, but there have been enough quality in an unders drafted over the last 7 or 8 years to suggest that there were some out there, we have not ever gone for one in the draft. We leave it to the rookie draft, and pick up AB or Mick Stinear, great triers but not quite there. Our drafting policy appears to have been to draft athletes first and last, and consequently in dessperation we try and get a ready made in and under and give up too much for too little.

Not sure on the former, and definitely don't agree on the latter. His kicking was in very good nick in every game he played, particularly his ability to snap at goal.

It was his handball that was occasionally off, which relates back to his hip, quad & ankle issues when he plants the leg in question.

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The best and fairest result means little.

Gibbs and Murphy finished higher in our B & F than Fevola who won another AA guernsey.

Mclean wasn't doing the role their coaches asked of their players.

I believe Mclean wasn't happy with the role they asked him to play last year.

Why do you think he left?

Collingwood went hard for an inside midfielder with dodgy groins who was dropped by the Saints last year.

Yet Ball didn't crack a spot in their top ten in their B & F ahead of Blake and Gram.

Mclean is a good and penetrating kick.

Not saying that the theory is dead, it just reflects the reckless nature of previous decisions, in this case trading, that has occurred with Brock's trade.

Due diligence and effective trade negotiations were not adhered to in this trade. And its a shame

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..we thought it worked so well back then, we did the same a few years back.. ..and doesn't Juddles lift us up.. ..it's just one tactic among many.. ..sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.. ..when it works, it works well.. ..as for McLean, if he can stay fit he'll be worth it i believe.. ..also, especially if the AFL caps the interchange, and does so by a fair percentage,, then elite endurance and players "pacing themselves" will become the prototype once more and he'll come back into his own.. [provided body holds up]

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

..he's not a supoerboot, but he can snap a goal from the 50 well enough.. ..so i don't agree with the no penetrating kick opinion..

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Every Melbourne supporter I know says Brock hasn't had any depth in his kicking for about 2-3 years. That accords with what I've seen of him so far for us.

And Collingwood didn't give up a first round pick for Ball...

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People I have spoken with from Melbourne have said that he is a poor kick and a poor decision maker when under pressure. The biggest criticism he had was his leg speed and everyone I have spoken with has confidently stated that he will not play AFL past 25 years old. His body simply cannot handle it, his injuries are degenerative and no amount of ops will make a difference.

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Hey Psych you must know the same Melbourne supporters as me - everyone of them is an orthopaedic surgeon!!!

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