Developing Princes Park as a third Victorian ground seemed to be the right way to go, but...

http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/no ... 35832.html

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

Guess the sheep will be on hear shortly to tell us otherwise though.

Terrific article, I'd like Agros and Scott Saunders views on this. I'd love Dick to pay for the ground to be usable again and for us to rip the AFL off for it to be used.

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Even sheep know when their time is up Surrey.

Who was going to foot the bill???

YOU?????!?!?!?!!!!\

To understand what you may or may not have is to understand whats in your bank account....

You can la la all you like but thems the facts!!!

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Of course he was right - Blind Freddy could see that - It was quite a few let their emotions get in the way of their thinking

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Yes, Jack did have it right, but there was no way the AFL, under Jackson and The Spew were ever going to play nice with Carlton.

It's nothing more than a case of ridiculous short-sightedness by the AFL in exchange for short term bucks (which were then used as an excuse to bump the AFL CEO's salary).

This is what happens when 2 groups, headed by men with large egos and little regard for others bump heads, or have pissing contests.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

What took you so long ....
I can't believe you just don't accept your wrong ... again.
Oh well, stick to your guns, it makes for good reading.

Could have used the Collo masterstroke and rattled the cans at a family day.

Surrey... unless you can show us how it was going to be paid for... your self perceived wisdom sums you up.
If you actually believe that under the circumstances you were right.... then you really are a log .

If it is that great an idea... lets see Swann and Pratty do it.

We can spend say.... 100 million minimum to get it up to speed...yes???

So that 35k people can get in.... and were hoping to have 50k members over the next few years....

here... have another one of these.... .......no have 2


Look Surrey.. pretending you have answers isnt becoming of you.....

We need facts!!!


Epictetus said.... "One must not tie a ship to a single anchor, nor life to a single hope"

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The AFL only has themselves to blame. I agree that our stubborn approach to the redevelopment cost us too. We should’ve been more pragmatic and use a good dose of diplomacy to encourage co-operation with the Princes Park development in the 90’s instead of thumbing our nose at the establishment, but those bastards at AFL House turned their backs on us and let the ground turn into an expensive unused stadium that we had no hope of maintaining in that guise.

We were always going to need the AFL to include the stadium for fixtures to generate revenue otherwise massive subsidies were required to stop us from falling over. We could never go it alone. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but how those flower at AFL House would love to have grand old Princes Park to leverage negotiations with the two monoliths! It’s too late now. The redevelopment has rendered the stadium forever unusable and with the amount of money pledged by government we wouldn’t want to incur their wrath and turn our backs on the current agreements for redevelopment.

Unfortunately the current situation cost our club as well but as Darryl Kerrigan would say, “Suffer in your jocks!” to AD and co.

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C'mon Blueboys!

The fact of the matter was even if you had the massive amounts of cash needed you wouldnt get residents approval for that kind redevelopment.

I know people involved in the last redevelopment.. and it ended up an abortion cos of the residents.

But Surrey knows.......

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Yeah, it would've been nice. But reality got in the way, in the guise of:

1. We already tried to redevelop the ground, borrowed heavily to do it, and it pretty much sent us to the wall. We had nothing left, were in serious financial trouble, and everyone knew it. Our one roll of the dice failed, largely due to the AFL ensuring that it would fail.
2. The AFL didn't want it to happen. And without their will, a club can't act independently in such a matter.
3. The public at the time, fueled by the AFL and the media, HATED going to Princes Park. There was a "woe is us having to play at PP" story every week for over a year.

The fact that the AFL may be proven wrong in hindsight is neither here nor there. In the real world, when we left PP we seriously had no other options open to us, because the AFL held all the cards.

Anyone who's pissed off that PP isn't used as a playing venue anymore shouldn't vent their anger at Carlton supporters who backed the move away from there when we did... they should direct it towards the AFL. Because it was the AFL who effectively orchestrated it, leaving the Carlton Football Club with no other option than to move.

Those calling for games at PP no doubt include some of those who'll be shut out and calling for the heads of the AFL Board when they and 15,000 others can't get in.

But I suppose now that Jake Niall's added his brilliance to the debate there's no more to be said.

If the AFL wants a boutique stadium to stage low drawing games (not Carlton games) it's not going to do it in a way that lines the pockets of a particular club purely because that club has a bit of existing real estate.

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John , the local residents didnt want it to happen either.

Also opposition supporters didnt support it.

But last... the AFL will be building it further out East when they do.

Theyre all about growth .......

It was never going to happen .......everybody knew it except Surrey

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Don't think I can ever recall local residents anywhere at any time ever approving a development of any kind in their area - "Not in my back yard buddy "

But funny development still goes on despite the objections of the locals


Local resident not approving is a bullshit arguement Synbad - Please give something better are are you emotions taking over your thinking again

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Hey , yes i know you think you know what youre talking about.... but if the residents allwed us to do the original redevelopment im pretty sure Princes Park would look very different atm.

You have seen what was offered originally and what was passed havent you???


Cos i now you have a knack of understanding ...Crown Land and how we dont own it we lease PP right???

Youre an expert... youve watched 'The Castle ' plenty of times.And you liken yourself to a Sydney Denis Denuto.

Now put on your legal bigwig for us and explain how a development would go through on Crown Land parkland with the residents opposed...

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and further to this


and just in case you missed it


This is the reality of the abortion that ended up as the Camel when we were trying to build a thoroughbred.

Don't get me started on the Royal Parade/tram/car parking either.

There was systematic opposition to the ground and decisions were made that were plainly anti football...regardless of whether they made the ground situation better or worse! Abortion is very emotive term...however it implies a finality....I would have describes most of the things done to PP as torture leading to death

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By the way... VFL park was the one to keep.

The AFL owned that one ...

As GWS said the AFL club isnt going to line one clubs pockets....

Or have the gun held to its head by one club...which is what we did .. and why we were smashed...

Anyway.. countess reasons as to why it was never going to happen.

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yep, cos that'll happen if we were playing Freo, Port, Gold Coast & West Coast.

With the SUPPORT of the AFL we could play those games and other clubs could do the same. Will never happen now but should have back then.

Instead our great leader 'Collo' sold us out on a shit long term deal, oh yeah, of course he stood out of the negotiations didn't he

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I miss those games at PP.

It won't happen but I would be very happy if we could play about 8 home games at the MCG and 3 at PP (these games should be against interstate sides).

Should also be the home ground for the Carlton Reserves.