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 Post subject: Princes Park anyone?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:23 am 
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Now things are changing so rapidly with new clubs, extra matches etc. is there any point in pushing this to happen at PP.

Will the new facilities/development cater for 30K at the ground? Is it worth the Blues putting forward a proposal?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 59,00.html

If any Vic club could come to the party surely it is us, or am I just way off the mark here?

I know we are pushing 40K members etc. Do you think Pratt/Swann and the board areinterested it could provide such a healthy revenue stream even if our club is not playing.


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Warning: the above links to a Patrick Smith article.

Clicking on it supports him and justifies his existence.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:17 am 
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What a joke, Carlton was forced out of Princes Park after being shafted by the League,

Now we hear they want a boutique stadium of 25k.

Hellooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!, there was a stadium ready to go ,3kms from the city, it would have been perfect. Instead Evans et al in there wisdom white-anted the Blues in favour of the AFL owned stadium at Docklands.

And they wonder why we have little respect for them :twisted: :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:24 am 
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Deano Supremo wrote:
Warning: the above links to a Patrick Smith article.

Clicking on it supports him and justifies his existence.


Maybe if someone can just copy and paste the articles of the prick on TC we wouldn't have to refer to them.

Legal?

If that's not legal, then maybe one paragraph per post should do the trick.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:29 am 
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From the Australian today there was an article referring to discussions of a 3rd stadium in Melbourne; it's true!

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24109399-5013459,00.html


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ONCE you do the simple mathematics then the solution appears overwhelmingly sensible. If not expensive and bold as well. Certainly the final outcome will become a political and sporting issue of great drama.

Presently 16 AFL teams play football over 22 rounds which makes a total of 176 games. If west Sydney comes on line in 2012 and joins the Gold Coast as the 17th and 18th teams, then you have a serious problem. That is an increase of 40 games, assuming the numbers of rounds increase to 24, a significant number of which will need to be played in Melbourne.

Given the present workload of the two AFL venues in Melbourne, Telstra Dome and the MCG, and the tight contracts that bind clubs and the AFL to those stadiums, the league is now considering building a third venue. Its size and whereabouts are far from settled but a boutique arena with a potential to cater for 25,000 fans is a starting point.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:32 am 
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It's true...there are Melbourne clubs who don't attract big crowds

It's quoted in an article in today's Australian

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24109399-5013459,00.html


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Club chief executives attending a two-day information conference which ended yesterday were told the new venue was an option the AFL was seriously considering.

The AFL is looking to cater for the extra teams and off-setting the wretched and niggardly deals some clubs have with their landlords at Telstra Dome and the MCG. The meeting was told the new ground was one of several economic options.

A 25,000-seat stadium could work along the lines of Geelong's home ground which can return the club match receipts of around $500,000 a game.

A new stadium appeals both to the AFL and the clubs which are hamstrung by deals where most of the money earned on match day goes straight back to venue management.

The present deals are locked in and will hinder tenant clubs such as the Western Bulldogs, North Melbourne and St Kilda until the AFL takes ownership of Telstra Dome in 2025.

The AFL was loath to set down specifics because the growth in attendances and membership has increased rapidly. Average attendance for games in Melbourne is 40,000 but games with poorly performing non-Victorian clubs draw far fewer fans.

For example: Melbourne must draw 20,000 supporters to break even at the MCG and North Melbourne and the Bulldogs 30,000 at Telstra Dome. So hard has it been for clubs to negotiate with Telstra Dome boss Ian Collins that the clubs have handed the stadium deals over to the AFL executive to sort out.


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bondiblue wrote:
Does anyone have anything more they wish to add?


I'd just like to add that I refuse to read anything from The Australian while Patrick Smith is still in their employ.


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Smith makes an unfounded assumption that there will be 24 rounds with the addition of 2 teams.

Why?

You can play 9 games per rounds over 22 rounds and that means only 22 extra games for the year of those games 11 will be guaranteed interstate so to build a stadium to accomodate 11 extra games may not be a viable option

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Deano Supremo wrote:
Warning: the above links to a Patrick Smith article.

Clicking on it supports him and justifies his existence.

Cheers Deano.

Can all TCer's please take note, and include a warning when linking to his articles.

I do not wish to read them, nor provide him with tacit support by giving him a hit.

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Wojee wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Does anyone have anything more they wish to add?


I'd just like to add that I refuse to read anything from The Australian while Patrick Smith is still in their employ.


+1

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:01 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
Deano Supremo wrote:
Warning: the above links to a Patrick Smith article.

Clicking on it supports him and justifies his existence.

Cheers Deano.

Can all TCer's please take note, and include a warning when linking to his articles.

I do not wish to read them, nor provide him with tacit support by giving him a hit.


Point taken, whilst the authour of the article is unwelcome on this site (sorry :oops: ), any thoughts on the direction the AFL will be heading in terms of stadium plans.


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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Wojee wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Does anyone have anything more they wish to add?


I'd just like to add that I refuse to read anything from The Australian while Patrick Smith is still in their employ.


+1


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murraycray wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Wojee wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Does anyone have anything more they wish to add?


I'd just like to add that I refuse to read anything from The Australian while Patrick Smith is still in their employ.


+1


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+3......................WAKE UP JEFF!!!!!!!!!


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that article is miles off the mark....

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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
that article is miles off the mark....


Surely you jest, SAS87.....it couldn't be that P.Smith is making stuff up again?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:46 pm 
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Ok everyone, sorry to have caused offence this morning, the thread wasnt really supposed to be about the "Australian" or Smith but about the chances/issues/options concerning the use of PP for this increase in teams and therefore weekly games.

http://news.smh.com.au/sport/afl-may-bu ... -3ohr.html

I wonder how Swanny will respond.

It would be amazing to think that PP/CFC could play a major role in this situation.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:30 pm 
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Anyone know what sort if impact the redevelopment has on the ground capacity? PP would seem the obvious place for the new ground and if the train line gets built its enhances its attractiveness even further but even at the moment its reasonably well serviced by trams.


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Demetrispew's comments are just so gallingly condescending and patronizing - if I was a Tasmanian I would want to just fair dinkum cut his balls off. :roll:

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Geelong make $600,000 per game they play at Kardina Park. I assume we are not getting that at the Dome.

Whatever Geelong did they did it much better than us and good on them for it. They did have AFL and government assistance but to setup their operations where they can earn that much is excellent and is why Cook is respected and classed as the best in the business.

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