interesting stats

Rd 1
Roos scoring Shots - 25
Blues scoring Shots - 25

Rd 2
Buumers scoring Shots - 21
Blues scoring Shots - 30

Rd 3
Filth scoring Shots - 28
Blues scoring Shots - 28


There we have it people, we have equal scoring shots for both games we lost and had more in the game that we won.

Why do i mention this, becuase the simple fact that we have yet to play a decent 4 quarter game this year, but if it wasnt for the incredible accuracy of the teams we have played in the last 3 rounds we could very easily have been 3 - 0 with the club flying, even though we havent been playing well.

All is not lost, maybe i have the blue coloured glasses on, but considering i dont think we have played anywhere near our best football (exception last quarter v the buumers) and we have been in positions to win all 3 games shows that we have vastly improved.

Its all about steps. Last year we had to play well to be in the contest, this year we can play below average football and still be in the contest. Our next step will be to play average football and win with the final step being playing good football and creaming teams.

Whilst winning is important, the development of our team is moving in the right direction, and for me that is why im reasonably happy with our 1-2 record at the moment

_________________
Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

No worries Prez.


http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... 3&start=15

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Good point Prez, a topic that I'm writing about as we speak. We;re getting it in there but not driving home the advantage; in the first quarter this weekend we had 10 shots to 4... for a 3 point advantage. Wasteful kicking.

Interestingly though, many of our bad kicking for goals appears to be coming from the midfield:

Brendan Fevola 7.2
Lance Whitnall 7.6
Eddie Betts 7.2
Adrian DeLuca 5.1
Matthew Lappin 4.2
Jarrad Waite 5.5

Sure, Whits and Waite have missed a few, but the others are going ok. I think Davies is something like 2.5 so he needs to improve. If we continue to relieve the pressure then of course teams will keep coming at us - no team is 'dead' yet given how early it is in the season, so they'll keep coming. And thats what happened. Then allow the Pies 15.1 and well, game over.

We got slaughtered in the centre and down back when the pies got on song. Scoring shots ain't gonna fix that.

_________________
This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Yeah...no worries....just an atrocious forward line....no backline through no fault of our own....lack of opponent respect and accountability and a total of one good quarter played this year out of 12. By peaking way to early, not only are the players buggered already - but the opposition have worked us out...For all you idiots who shouted "We're back" in my face on Wizard Cup night...hang your heads in shame.

With all due credit to Effes - I have posted this here because you blokes have got no idea how to follow a thread

Points kicked against all clubs for the past 3 Rounds - by a margin of of 5 we have been the subject of most accuracy from opposition clubs - to add insult to injury Essendon* kicked 17 goals 4 behinds against us last week but managed 10 goals 17 behinds this week. Collingwood kicks 15 goals 1 behind in the second half against us.

I dont think opposition skills coaches are required the week teams play us.

Carlton 21
Geelong 26
St Kilda 27
Sydney 32
Brisbane 33
West Coast 33
Adelaide 33
Port Adelaide 33
Hawthorn 34
Essendon* 36
Collingwood 37
Fremantle 38
Kangaroos 40
Melbourne 42
Richmond 45
Bulldogs 47

_________________
"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

But if we kicked 7.3 rather than 4.3 we would have had a buffer all game? Bad kicking is bad football and we're letting teams in. Cast your mind back a week and we had 30 scoring shots to 21, and only won by 4 points. Our forwards / midfield need to convert when we get it - there are 2 fit teams out there, if we get a bigger buffer it could only help.

whilst i agree, but i think everyone here would also agree with this.

The improvment as i see it is this

Last year we played bad and got spanked by 100 points

This year we have yet to play a good game, and we have won one and lsot 2 by 20 points. And in both loses we where a chance of winning, with accuracy of the other team probably being the only difference.

All this, without playing well.

I would be concerned if we where playing well and losing, but we are playing like crap and still had a decent chance at winning and that is the improvment i can see in our team.

_________________
Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Molsey, I understand that, I just don't buy that our performance can be vindicated by saying we're still in the games because we have the same amount of scoring shots.

The game we played was awful, regardless of the scoring shots equality or inequality.

I suppose we actually agree but on different aspects. I just don't think our performance should be justified by saying our bad kicking for goal cost us the game. It was heaps worse than that. Collingwood played all over us in the third and last.

_________________
This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

cant argue with that, but considering that, and the fact they kicked 15.1 in the second half, change that to 10.6 which is still very accurate we win by 5 points.

as badly as we are playing we are still able to trouble teams. last year we played badly, we got smashed, that doesnt appear to be the case anymore

_________________
Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Understood, yep.

We thought we'd be watching COllingwood 2004, but Collingwood 2002 turned up in the second half. Fast, direct play of a style Pagan would be proud, kicks to the top of the goal square, increasing accuracy of kicks....

Yep, they were lucky in that 15.1 is comlpetely abnormal; if they'd have kicked say 10.6 they wouldn't havemade it at all, and in fact their run must have dried up.

I think we have 2 'generals' in defence, and 4 guys who need to play 1 on 1, or stay on their man. TB is one; Teague is the other. While we're 2 men down, Teague has to cover a bigger opponent, its hard to be the general while you're covering so much ground. Doesn't help when the midfield isn't chasing.

yeah, so if we had of worn black and white jumpers we would've won. Right.

_________________
This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

Not sure I get what you're saying

Sorry Molsey, replying to the president's inane conjecture about if we had've kicked ...

_________________
This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

ok

16 goals 9 against the roos (64%)
17 goals 4 against the buumers (85%)
20 goals 8 against the filth in the second half (71%)

for a total of

53 goals 21 points in 3 games of football

That is a 71.26% scoring accuracy.

Dismiss it if you like, but myself, considering that we have faced a 71.26% scoring accuracy in 3 games of football, and considering we have been playing poorly, yet still be a chance of winning these games shows an improvment in our squad.

We are certainly not playing well, no doubt in that, but considering everything i think we are showing improvment over last year and that is all that is important for this year.

_________________
Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Prez you need to do some analysis of where they're kicking these "unusually accurate" goals from. If they're all from out on the boundry line then you might have a point (although it still wouldn't excuse the losses), but kicking 70% running into an open goal, for example, is not really all that hard.

If you want to push this barrow then you should have a think about whether there's something about our style of play that is directly or indirectly causing teams to be more accurate against us. Otherwise, I'd just concertrate on what we can control which is our own poor conversion of gimmie set shots (see Davies and Waite) that is losing us momentum at crucial points in the games.

Davies.... 2.7 with 2 OOBF from memory.

Imagine if that was the other way around, we'd all be grinning our faces off. (Plus we'd be 2-1!)

another interesting thing to note

We have the third highest total score in the league.

Granted we also have the highest scored against us, but again, the accuracy that we have faced in the first 3 games would go along way to contribute to this stat.

I just think, that considering we have played so bad, yet still be able to boast the 3rd highest total score is something to not be dismissed, nor is the accuracy in which teams have had against us.

There is alot of doubt creeping in for some people, and im just trying to point out that, even though we are playing crap, we where still in with a chance in both games we lost, unlike last year, and for me that is a big improvment.

_________________
Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

The gameplan is fine the execution isnt.

Which at the moment is like saying the operation was a success but unfortunately the patient died.
We have to find players that want to and are capable of executing the game plan better.
Im a huge Davies fan but he is costing us.
We need to tweak the side till will come up with the right balance/set up.

this might be knee jerk but id make 5 changes this week.