Tuning into the passionate response from all types of carlton supporters has been rather interesting.

Those that are negative about the clubs decision, clearly are choosing to throw the issue at the hands of the administration and coach ie "shouldn't have supported rehabilitation, too valuable" etc.

I have no doubt that key members of the playing leadership would have been consulted on this..... and will be supporting the decision. They will recognise the stakes and equally will recognise what is required to enjoy sustained success. In fact, one of them has won the three highest awards a player would enjoy - he knows the importance of tough decisions. To win, you need to be brave.

Given Judd was quoted yesterday as saying that the issue was out of the playing group's hands, I simply can't agree with the point of view that says this is the playing's group doing. I'd prefer that it was the case but I'm pretty disillusioned with the club's handling of the entire situation.

It's taken until today for an official statement to be made about something that occurred ten days ago. That's allowed the media to effectively place the club in a position where if they had decided to keep Fev then they would have been criticised for being weak. The $10 grand fine was never going to satisfy anybody. The media has been incredibly unfair on him but the Club has allowed it to happen by not getting on the front foot.

Personally, I think if they had come out on Wednesday last week saying that it was unacceptable behaviour and suspended for the first four matches next year, the issue goes away. I also think that it would have been a better decision to keep and suspend rather than put him up for trade but that's effectively an argument not worth having anymore. It does raise the issue of what happens if he doesn't get traded? Will he then be suspended or is being put up for trade some type of punishment? It's embarrassing yeah but I don't think it would say as much as putting him out for a month.

My vote now is ring up Essendon* and ask for a straight trade - Hurley for Fevola - cos Hurley should be up for trade right? Or is being charged with assaulting a cabbie a lesser offence than getting drunk and making an idiot of yourself? Yeah, he's a bit younger and it's the first offence but the Fev can't be accused of being anything more than an idiot whereas Hurley's case is a lot nastier. Blatant hypocrisy from the media.

Hear hear.

I posted in another thread the 3AW interview with Brian Cook tonight. Cook said that the leadership group's decision to punish Steve Johnston was a major part of Geelong winning the '07 flag, he said it was when the players and the club finally understood what was required to win a Premiership, and finally put the tough measures in place.

If the Carlton leadership group has had a say in this decision, I applaud them. It would not be an easy thing for Judd and co to advocate getting rid of a key player, it shows balls, self-belief, character and a preparedness to tell the rest of the Club that bullsh1t will not be tolerated here. All traits that are essential to success, and have been sadly absent for way too long.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

it would be mind boggling if they had not cleared this with judd at least.

unless of course they know that there is no realistic prospect of doing a trade...

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Agree 100%

Just like Juddy, the club should have got on the front foot and apologised for what happened in Brisbane and copt the two weeks. Instead the issue stayed in the media until the Thursday until the final appeal was thrown out and Judd copt another week.

If you want knee-jerk reactions, you might be happier at Punt Road.

Not sure how quick you can possibly expect a $700,000 decision to be made?

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Well first of all, it's a decision worth $1.4 million cos he's contracted for two years. But, in reality, the decision involves a lot more variables than just his contract. Marketing, membership, attendances - yep, it's a complex decision.

But, decisions like this get made a lot quicker by businesses and clubs that have strong management structures in place. In the context of a what is now a major industry, decisions like the one on Fev shouldn't take over a week to get made. You make sure you have the facts, you consult the necessary people and then whoever is in charge makes the decision - perhaps that's issue at Carlton, who is in charge? When Dick was at the helm it was pretty clear, now it's not so obvious.

If you consider that fining him $10 grand, then saying there will be a meeting on Monday with Fev, then saying the meeting with Fev will be later in the week on Monday when everyone asks why the meeting hasn't happened, etc, etc, is a good process then you're entitled to that opinion but I'd disagree.

To me, it felt like the Club was dancing to the media's tune.

I thought the club had to do it's due dilligence concerning every aspect and consequence regarding this incident, Fev's history, and its effect on the club.

Why the need in rushing into a statement they may need to contradict later ?

It's funny how I posted something similar to Tommy's post in another thread, but commending the club.

I think the club did the right thing and let things settle a little and then ascertain all the facts and resolutions rather than make a knee jerk reaction. As they say, A weeks a long time in footy, but not on something of this magnitude and the severe repercussions if they get it wrong.

This isn't a simple matter, as it does impact many facets of the organisation, in terms of marketing, sponsorship and membership. It takes strong people and good leadership to make the tough decisions. I think this will be the cornerstone of the CFC.

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Why would Judd publicly state that the playing group want him out when there's still a very good chance that we'll be stuck with him next year?

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..the single most important factor in all of this, is IF whatever the fev did was enough to cause the other players to want him gone.. ..and if it's so bad that it's unfair on the other players to put up with him next year.. ..then he goes.. ..contract and trades be damned..

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What a load of BS! So being the best team didn't win it for them, it was suspending one of their own players??? Why did they win it this year? Who did Hawthorn suspend last year????

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And the decision is definetly a brave one. IMO it was measured too.

Tommy Alvin wrote



Tommy, Judd saying that in no way suggests that there wasn't a player discussion and opinion formulated. They may have discussed the situation because they 'may' have been asked to discuss it as a major stakeholder, and if so, I'm sure as in all groups there would be varying opinions tabled. From there, the players' discussion 'minutes' would have been communicated to the Club's Board leaving the final decision to them. It may not have even been a vote, it may have been to get a general feeling from the group. Hence,



That's fair enough, and most likely what happened, as it does in all well run organisations.

I wouldn't have wanted this decision (to sack Fev) made on the eve of our BnF.
I wouldn't have wanted this decision to be made hastily, without input of all the major stakeholders.
I wouldn't have wanted this decision made if Fev hadn't crossed the line.
I wouldn't have wanted this decision made if all the players were adamant that Fev stays.

Lets be fair about this.

I agree with you London Blue. It was a brave decision, right or wrong, and it's true that fortune favours the brave.

Oh yeah...I love Fev the larrikin, I'm a huge fan (so prsonally I accept the whole Fev package) and I know that we will not lose the opportunity to win a flag if Fev goes to another club. That's because I'm not a fortune teller and I have yet to see this whole issue finalised. We find out more next week during Trade discussions, and the proof will be in the performance of the team over the next 2-3 years.

One door closes and another opens.

I support Carlton, whether they are on the bottom or the top. Carlton are in the business of winning flags; that's what I expect and I know one is coming in the not too distant future just from looking at the list. The list is pretty good now, and it will be even better in the post Fev era in 1 or 3 years time when the kids are men and more new blood enters the fold.

We're Carlton @#$%&! the rest: Stand by your team.

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Mate, I'm just quoting Brian Cook, the CEO of the Geelong Football Club. They were his words. I suspect that he knows more about what led to Geelong's success than either you or me.

And I'll believe him before you (or anyone else outside the GFC for that matter).

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

After that final debacle against Brisbane what they say counts for jack shit.Blokes who put in a pea hearted effort such as that should be totally ignored................

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Don't piss down Juddys back and tell him its raining.

Deal is done and dusted, but I think it is worth noting that the playing group had NO input at all into the decision.

Quote from Kernahan -
“This decision is based on what we believe is best for the Carlton Football Club, importantly the playing group or individual players were not involved in the decision, it was a matter for the club and not just an on-field issue.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/b ... 5784897145

Obviously, that doesn't mean it's a bad decision but I think failing to have the players' support is a fairly major oversight. Anybody ask Jamo how he'd feel going 1-on-1 with the Fev?

I had hoped that the major reason for moving him on was the playing group being fed up with him - a lot of commentators were suggesting this was the case. Turns out that it was a decision by the administrationi based on ... well, your guess is as good as mine....

Mate, I barely believe a single word that comes out of club official's mouths in cases like this. Club presidents, CEO's, coaches... they all lie through their teeth to the media. Sticks may well just be doing what he should be doing: presenting it as a decision that came solely from the top. What sticks said contradicts many of the reports regarding the fallout from brownlow night, but it would sound pretty unprofessional for Kernahan to come out and say much else, really.

Anyway, Jamo having to go one-on-one is cancelled out by Setanta not having to stand at CHF when fev's leading straight into his back.

Agreed. I certainly don't claim to know the full story. But this is obviously just PR media spin. So supporters don't turn against the players. And so Fev gets to leave with a semblance of dignity.

The club was 'FORCED' into making a decision.

FEV FORCED the club into the trade.

What actually happened that night is only of partial importance and a nail in the coffin.

What is important is the club...lead by Swann and co used 'due dilligence' in making the right decision.

What other clubs do is not important.

We must have faith in our current leaders to move forward.

I congratulate the CFC in standing strong in a difficult time.

Go Blues!

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