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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:26 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
[If the club sticks by Fev,and helps him re-habilitate,and become a way better person,and team player..then surely that would be something to be proud of?That would be a mark of a fully mature footy club.


Bluegirl, I couldn't agree more. Not once have I said that the Club should toss Fevola away. My argument is that the Club needs to show leadership in dealing with him. If that means rehabilitating him, then brilliant, do it! But do it! Don't just wash your hands of it and say it's too difficult to deal with (as Swann actually said the other day..."what more can we do?")

You want to know what it means to re-habilitate a player and make him a better person? Look at what Geelong did with Steve Johnston. They took him in, they counselled him, they worked with him, they supported him. They also suspended him for 6 weeks, telling him in no uncertain terms that THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. We will work with you 100%, we will be there for you, we will do what needs to be done. BUT YOU WILL NOT ACT LIKE THIS AND NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. And look at what has happened to Johnston since then? Off field as well as on. Yes, he had a slip up. But there is no doubt that he is an immeasurably better person on field and off.

Should Carlton trade Fevola? I don't know. Do they need to get serious with him? Absolutely. To date, from where I sit, they haven't been as strong with him as they should have been. If he is to stay (and it could be that this incident is the one that finally wakes him up. Or not), be strong but fair. He needs to be made responsible for his actions. And supported and guided through. I don't think this has happened up until now, and that, in my view, is a sign that the leadership isn't yet at the level it needs to be.

And if you read my post again, you will see that my discussion on leadership was aimed more at the Club, rather than any specific player.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:53 pm 
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Top posts, Sig. I just hope that people who count at CFC get to read them and take them onboard.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:02 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
It's not only Geelong we should look at.

I seriously hope our players, coaches, senior administrators & Board were watching the GF and last week's prelim b/w StK & the Bulldogs.
I was watching these matches trying to picture how we would go, in terms of demeanour & approach?

I am wondering how much work we need to still do on our commitment, drive, humility, team orientation and overall steel (blue steel?)
Looking at the top 3 teams from this year, they all seem so much more mature than we do - physically and mentally.
Why is this important? Because, whilst I have no doubt we are building towards a Premiership, this will determine whether it is one Premiership or 3; whether we will be a great team or do what we need to feel good for a moment in time.

Every Geelong person who spoke yesterday, showed great respect for the StKilda football club. I may be oversimplifying it but I get the feeling most (not all, but most) of our guys, in the same position, would not be thinking about their opposition. I think this perspective comes a bit with age & maturity and, probably a bit of bitter experience but it just struck me & I wondered if we need to have these traits to become a great team or perhaps we can do it differently, a bit more 'youthfully'; perhaps more along the lines of how Hawthorn did it? (Then again, it will be interesting to see whether the Hawks are back up there next year or whether they need some more 'bitter' experience to revisit the heights of 2008).

ANYWAY... interested in others thoughts on whether we have, or need (Blue) Steel - and is this related to the leadership traits discussed on this thread?


Two points here 17th (bolded relevant points in your post)...

1. This inability to be focused on those outside of yourself (IF it was to be like that) is a sign of ego-centricity (a trait Fevola has very stongly). It is focusing on oneself, without regard to those around you. It is a key part of what is known as emotional intelligence. If a person, or people, are emotionally 'unintelligent', it means their focus is only on themselves, without regard to how their behaviour affects others. When you see Geelong respect St Kilda the way they do, how much respect do they gain for themselves? How much better will a club be if its people respect each other, work for each other, behave in a way in which taking into account how your actions will affect your teammates and your clubmates is paramount to the decisions one makes? It becomes symptomatic of a group of people who will sacrifice their own personal agendas for the agenda of the Club as a whole.

2. Blue Steel - I think it is 100% related to leadership issues. Of course, it is also related to courage on the field, hardened bodies and (like Riewoldt) minds that control your body, block out pain etc. But there is no doubt in my mind that strong leadership creates a strong culture, and a strong culture develops players like Riewoldt and Rooke who will bleed and hurt and sacrifice for the team.

We are a young team, with young players. It has taken Geelong and St Kilda and the Dogs 6-8 years to build their teams, get their leadership and culture right. It doesn't happen overnight. We have an opportunity now to take a strong, positive step in building that leadership and culture. I am not advocting what must be done, simply that SOMETHING must be done, something strong which delivers an unequivocal message. I hope the Club is strong enough to do what must be done.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:31 pm 
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Could we ever be like Geelong?

Navy Blue and White: We've got it.

A Graders: we've got it

Greatr list: we've got it

Mature Bodies: Another preseason for some and two for others

Win 2 out of 3 GF's: Expecting it

Whilst watching the game, and bloke's like Rooke, I couldn't help but think of Aaron Joseph. Tough as nails, disciplined, determined and on our list.

The kids are leading the way. Watch the body shape change for Kreuzer and Hammer in 2010. Watch Austin too. Have a look at the change of Gibbs and Murph's body and results post 2009-10 preseason.

I know we're coming, and GF's are hard to get to, but even in 2009 whilst we were still juveniles in the big scheme of things we really shocked the opposition, took some big scalps and should have won some close games (including the last final we played in).

They are all signs. Signs that we are the next BIG think. IMO it all starts in 2010. No excuses.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:38 pm 
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I couldnt agree more - those are accurate comments.

The signs are all there.

But I think it is also true that our biggest weakness is leadership and organisation.

The raw talent needed for a grand final is there - but getting the most out of that talent is the real issue.

It might end up being that Brett Ratten will not be the coach that brings home the next Carlton flag.

Changes to in coaching structure and management over the 2009/10 period might create a bit of friction.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:05 pm 
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And when carlton win a premiership very soon, people will be saying could we ever be like Carlton :)

Best midfielder, Best Tagger, Best Fullforward at present.

Only a couple peices missing and the blues could be back to the top. We beat or pushed the top teams this year, very promising.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:07 pm 
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I remember a post last year saying how could we be like the Hawks after they won the premiership :)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:33 am 
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Great Posts Sieg. Thanks for adding such authority to what many of us know instinctively to be true.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:48 am 
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It's usually a top quality post when the opposing view argue against the posters credibility instead of the substance.
Well done Siegried.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:33 am 
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Great post Seifried.

Not only did I read it, I printed it out and distributed it amongst my employees with a view of moving hearts and minds...you know, to get them thinking.

Every person in my Company is a leader in my view. Whether they embrace leadership qualities is another story. I was hoping that whilst it is GF week that the employees (oops, leaders) would understand that there is a strong correlation between footy and work place; they are both team environments and every single entity has a responsibility to uphold the team's values.

Back to the Bluebaggers. We must lift the bar. We need to HTFU and power on.

I'm not concerned about the kids being introverts. I just want them to understand the ethos we need to live by on and off the field and know why they are wearing the famous Old Dark Blue jumper: FLAGS, nothing less.

We're only as good as our weakest link.
We must eradicate our weaknesses across the board and aspire for greatness in 2010.
The club is bigger than the individual.
We have to believe that we are not far away from the Cats, Doggies and Saints.
Our efforts against all 3 teams in 2009 is proof in the pudding that despite being the fledglings we have conducted ourselves very well against each and every one of those 3 teams.
Can we match the Cats?
We matched them in 2009, now lets pass them in 2010.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:21 am 
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I thought the following quote from Brian Cook (taken from The Age article "Cash is king as premiers prepare to prosper") says alot about Geelong and how they approach football.

"A football club is like a family. Ruthlessness is a part of football but it is not the driver of football, it can't be. What has to be the drivers is unity and co-operation".

Everyone at the Geelong Football Club are on the same page. They understand the values that bind the club and their actions support those values.

Examples:
Fully supporting Jason Snell and Matthew Egan after major injuries cut their careers short.
Arranging trades for 'unwanted' players Stephen King and Charlie Gardiner to St Kilda so that their football careers would continue even though the club gained nothing except very late draft picks which were never going to be used.

The Stevie Johnson suspension has been held up as an example however, 'work' on Stevie J started much earlier when Geelong put him up for trade at the end of 2006. Both Collingwood and Essendon* went as far as conducting medicals but decided he was too much of a risk of breaking down. First shock to the system that his career could well be over if he didn't get his act together....and football was his world. The incident over Christmas and the suspension that followed was the final straw and kick that he needed to get his act together.


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