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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:50 pm 
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Fev spent yesterday playing a decoy role, taking three or four defenders with him on the lead. Fev being willing to sacrifice his game for the team is yet antoher tactic we can deploy when and where needed. My main complaint with the forwards has around the fact that they are reactive rather than proc-active in thier positioning at the fall opf the ball and the midfields pre-occupation to kicking directly to Fev each time rather than other players who might be better positioned. Fevs weight is not an issue, the type of injury he has is not a weight related one, rather a movement restricting one.


The extra weight means his pounding his heel more.
And why have him playing a decoy role...and have no real targets at home?

Fev is a goal kicking machine.. the quicker we dont get knee jerk about the obvious fact that he is.. and accept it.. and work on other structures around him the better.
If Fev kicked one took 4 defenders with him we should have kicked over 125 points against that side....

So what was the foil???

Betts???

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:04 pm 
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I think kicking 99 goals last year may have done more damage than good to Brendans will...

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:09 pm 
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Fev spent yesterday playing a decoy role, taking three or four defenders with him on the lead. Fev being willing to sacrifice his game for the team is yet antoher tactic we can deploy when and where needed. My main complaint with the forwards has around the fact that they are reactive rather than proc-active in thier positioning at the fall opf the ball and the midfields pre-occupation to kicking directly to Fev each time rather than other players who might be better positioned. Fevs weight is not an issue, the type of injury he has is not a weight related one, rather a movement restricting one.


..that's b/c the only genuine crumber that plays perm F50 is betts.. ..and for what it's worth, beets is front and square of the packs so often this year its not funny.. ..sometimes he gets the ball, other times he doesnt but when when there's a pack mark you'll see betts slip by ready for crumbs.. ..but yeah, a genuine spearhead and a genuine crumber, 2 out of 6 forwards performing isnt enough.. ..need to settle on a Forward six like we'redoing with the backline..

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:10 pm 
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Ohhh Synners, read first, then rant. I agree with you that Fev is our main target and he will remain so, but it is also nice to have other tactics in place if Fev is being closed down. Betts is finally doing consistantly what he was recruited to do, get to the fall of the ball when it comes off/out of a pack and do something with it.
Waite has shown he can go forward and kick quick goals and worry the defence. Kruze also looks comfortable up forward and has no fear taking a set shotThe more options and tactics we can develop up forward the better off we are in the long term and the more goals for everybody including Fev when he is fully fit. And if that happens we are a serious threat for the Premiership which is what we are all about.

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:17 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
woof wrote:
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99 goals in season 2008.......... So if it ain't broke then why try to fix it?



It was broke and it needed fixing.
He kicked over a third of our score last year, not healthy.
When we went into our forward line last year we went to him over 60% of the time.
We all need to get familar with Fev games like yesterday for this club to move forward. He needs to be mobile, he needs to work defensively and he needs to be happy when other blokes score goals. I have seen nothing to suggest his body can't do all of this. I would suggest his issues when he has issues are mental and not physical.
His challenge is to perform like he did yesterday ALL OF THE TIME.


Sorry mate but your argument makes no sense.

How was it broke?

you wrote 'We all need to get familar with Fev games like yesterday for this club to move forward. He needs to be mobile, he needs to work defensively and he needs to be happy when other blokes score goals'........... wouldn't a trimmer and less heavier Fev be a more 'mobile' contributor?

He is 28 years old and not getting any younger


He's single again. and living a bachelor's life...... :roll:

Yeah, I think he's getting younger

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:23 pm 
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Ohhh Synners, read first, then rant. I agree with you that Fev is our main target and he will remain so, but it is also nice to have other tactics in place if Fev is being closed down. Betts is finally doing consistantly what he was recruited to do, get to the fall of the ball when it comes off/out of a pack and do something with it.
Waite has shown he can go forward and kick quick goals and worry the defence. Kruze also looks comfortable up forward and has no fear taking a set shotThe more options and tactics we can develop up forward the better off we are in the long term and the more goals for everybody including Fev when he is fully fit. And if that happens we are a serious threat for the Premiership which is what we are all about.



I agree.. but you dont learn tactics by getting Fev to play in the back pocket...

Cos that means were playing with 6 talls across the defence.....


To me the whole thing is a confused shamozzle..


The idea is to get Fev to play around forward goals and organise around him and down the ground....

Moving Fev alltogether to some of those spots down the field doesnt actually help anything.......

You might as well think youll beat Collingwood without him and play someone else..

BUT you still have to learn to use him and everyone else in the forward line regardess...

I reckon if we do that again opposition coaches will laugh even more than they at the moment..

The trick is how to use space... how to make the forward line unpredictable..and how they can work in a cohesive manner as one...

And part of that has nothing to do with the forward line as such.. but how the ball is moved from defence into attack... and directed into dangerous spots....

For either Fev.. the crumbers or others in a structure up forward..

I know if i was a opposition coach id make the full back move to somewhere where Fev will be impotent... and tire him out..

Fev doesnt need to chase to the half back flank... its ludicruous.. cos by the time we get the ball back were out of shape.. and hes buggered!!!

Also we will shave off his dangerous.. by getting him to double guess why he is in the side....

Its a balance.. and Fev is in the side primarily to kick goals..

The other shortcomings are due to structures that are non existent..

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:23 pm 
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Fev has only put on 4kgs if you believe what Greg Swann said on SEN earlier in the year.


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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:29 pm 
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By the way... im reading people think Fev shouldnt be kicking goals.... or something weird...

It should be he should kick ten if possible... and everybody around him should be effective in delivery.. making space to be a target... and making room for those around ...

Its not Fevs fault ... that noone else can create potency....


I think we are clutching to straws thinking if we get Fev from the play or something or he doesnt kick alot of goals others will stand up around him....

You want to develop a structure where everyone knows what to do.. and Fev is your 'money man' regardless....

Were confusing things even more.. IMO...

You have Fev but youre saying youre too effective and the others arent....

But thats not his fault...

And really... getting him to chase to th back pocket or the wing???

Ludicrous...

He isnt built for it and that shouldnt be his job....

Id be looking at others down the field...who arent doing what theyre meant to be doing..

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:33 pm 
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Has anyone looked at the fact we use Judd too much????

Maybe we should move him into the back pocket cos he gets his hands on the ball too much???
Inside .. outside.... clearances.. inside 50s... speccies...etc

They probably dominate cos theyre freaks and we dont have structures to work too many others into the game...


Ratts is the one that needs to balance what were doing but allow the players to play naturally with what they have gifted to them...

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:42 pm 
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Why is is always something else- sore heel - corked buttocks - balls are to new cant kick straight- he was used as a decoy

I just think Fev has been pretty ordinary the last couple of weeks and the players know it so they are looking for other options

Richo - Lloyd- Franklin and Tredrea- Reiwolt- Brown all move up the field from time to time so I cant see why Fev gets a license to sit on his Arse in the goal square and lead out and not chase

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:52 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
What percentage of goals have Fev kicked along with Betts of our goals this season???


I would think Fev is best used a a spearhead inside 50...but with a better structure of forwards around him.

So you reckon its great for Fev to be happy kicking 1 and Betts to kick 3 or 4 when we come up against better teams????

Now the issue of this post is Fev's weight. I say there are more important things that Fev and the club need to address rather than his weight. I have pointed out what issues he needs to address for the benefit of the team. From what I saw on Saturday he went some way to addressing those issues. Will he be the same next week or in six weeks time I don't know and neither do you?
Chris Judd said of his performance this week "I thought Fev was terrific. He was the general down there, he really set our forward line up. Some of his tackling was fantastic, he stirred up and put it down Betts throat. He mightn't have hit the scoreboard as much as usual but his impact was just huge".
I tell you what is great is that Fev displayed and that he can make a contribution to the team without kicking a single goal and being the spearhead at the same time and his Captain acknowledged it.
Now you say later on in another post that his extra weight is putting pressure on his heel injury. Well I am quite concerned that you have brought this point up and I would think that the best treatment for Fev is that he takes the weight off his foot when he gets a chance. I would say that by the time he'd showered after the Hawthorn game it was about 7pm. Well at about 7am the next morning he was still standing on it.


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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
Fev spent yesterday playing a decoy role, taking three or four defenders with him on the lead. Fev being willing to sacrifice his game for the team is yet antoher tactic we can deploy when and where needed. My main complaint with the forwards has around the fact that they are reactive rather than proc-active in thier positioning at the fall opf the ball and the midfields pre-occupation to kicking directly to Fev each time rather than other players who might be better positioned. Fevs weight is not an issue, the type of injury he has is not a weight related one, rather a movement restricting one.


The extra weight means his pounding his heel more.
And why have him playing a decoy role...and have no real targets at home?

Fev is a goal kicking machine.. the quicker we dont get knee jerk about the obvious fact that he is.. and accept it.. and work on other structures around him the better.
If Fev kicked one took 4 defenders with him we should have kicked over 125 points against that side....

So what was the foil???

Betts???

The foils were (in no particular order): Waite, Betts, Judd, Austin, Hampson, Kreuzer

What the Pies did after quarter time was instruct about 15 of their players to position themselves around the stoppage and spread from there when in possession. We didn't have a proper response for this, and the game suffered as a result.

Eventually the game opened up a bit as both sides tired but we won the game by simplifying our forward set up so we could bring in some talented youngsters to do the damage.

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Richo - Lloyd- Franklin and Tredrea- Reiwolt- Brown all move up the field from time to time so I cant see why Fev gets a license to sit on his Arse in the goal square and lead out and not chase

Richo and Lloyd didn't do this for a long time. Richo took his fitness to a new level, Lloyd lost weight.

Brown, Riewoldt & Franklin are athletic freaks.

Tredrea is the only bloke you could credit with doing it consistently over a five year period purely through G&D, and even then I can give you a week's worth of tape where such an effort was largely ineffective.

If I were Fev, I'd have a hard time being convinced I need to push up the wing or through the corridor too. Five blokes on me? Kick it to the four of my team mates that are loose you giant gits!

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
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I think the big problem with Fev ... is that he is not getting enough space to run into .. seems to be locked in front of goal. In my opinion we really need to open up the forward line. Too much crowding by other team members.

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
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For Riewoldt, Brown, Tredrea's roaming up the field - there was always another effective forward waiting in the forward line - Milne, Bradshaw, Cornes, Burgoyne, Motlop - this is a luxury we haven't had if Fev pushes up because of Waite needing to play down back.

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
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I trust that Cordy knows what he's doing with Fev. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
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For Riewoldt, Brown, Tredrea's roaming up the field - there was always another effective forward waiting in the forward line - Milne, Bradshaw, Cornes, Burgoyne, Motlop - this is a luxury we haven't had if Fev pushes up because of Waite needing to play down back.

Waite needed that spell down back though, his work rate is through the roof now.

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 Post subject: Re: A heavy Fev
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Fev does look slower, considering marking on the lead is his bread and butter I wondered why he bulked up so much this year. Lloyd ruined his career when he put on all that extra weight for no good reason.

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he ain't heavy, he's Fevolaaaaa

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