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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:58 pm 
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Melvey wrote:
The problem with Hartts is that Cloke and Krooze are ahead of him in the pecking order. Also with the big Fev as a vocal point we will struggle to develop other options unless Fev plays a different role.

Im a fan of Hartts but i really don't see him fitting in or having a role within the side. How can the club continue to invest time in him when he continually breaks down.

Honestly im starting to think that our push to make the finals in 08 may have interfered with us trying different options with how we setup forward. Our backs, our midfield look like there got it right but a big cloud hangs over our head in terms of kicking big enough scores.


why's that? even with the "one dimensional" forward entry that the media labelled us, we still scored high scores.

We saw what cloke and kreuzer do when they are left in the forward line, and we also saw the impact (both on scoreboard and forward line pressure) that Walks brought when he returned.

Like you said, we seems to have gone the right track in building our mids/rucks/def, but i think our forwards ain't that far behind

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Walker will play the lead up Ryan OKeefe role
Fev at FF
Kreuzer/Hartlett/Cloke at CHF
Betts in one pocketYarran on a flank
Houla there..

.. and Fish/ Edwards /Robertson as more floating forwards...

Options there!!!... development and game plan needed...


Walker has two issues if you want him to play as a lead up ROKn role :oops:

His kicking to position is ordinary
He's not a consistently good mark (I believe he has smaller than average hands?).

I think he can be a damaging forward, but ROK has him well covered in those areas.


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..season 08 we were very much a one dimensional forward line for a variety of reasons, which were particular to 08.. ..cloke/krooz played predominantly as rucks, warnock should help ease that.. ..walks/houla injured fer most of the year.. ..betts/fish playing lead-up roles.. ..and then there's players like russel which are terrible in front of the sticks, and after a while players kick to others, hell russel often would pass to another when in range..

..for 09, we've got plenty options.. ..Fev is arguebly the best FF in the league, keep him in that role.. ..betts and yarran and houla as yer crumbers, walks and waite as yer marking HFFs.. ..cloke/krooz as yer chf options.. ..plus wiggins is good across hff too.. ..we've got the options.. ..russel isn't the best option, and if you want a player as a defensive forward to negate the oppositions run i much prefer carrots in that role.. ..as for harts, sad but true his body cant withstand the rigours of afl footy.. ..not to be counted on..

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It doesn't matter who we have in the forwardline if our midfielders and players up the ground are going to constantly kick to FEV - whilst we won numerous games this year we were super predictable going into our forwardline.

Our midfielders need to expand their vision and look for better options when going forward, when this happens and we will no longer be predictable and then we will be a far better and damaging team. Ratten and his staff have to ensure the team is drilled about choosing the best option rather than just kick it t fev!

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We need to have blokes that are considered dangerous in our fwd line along side Fev and kick it to them! Now if i was an opposition coach i wouldnt sag off Betts or Houla to coome across and help out on Fev. However Fisher, Russell i would no probs.
I heard Ratts speaking after we drafted Yarran and he said something that got me up and about because i fully agree. We need to organise our forward structure to try to get Brendan more 1 on 1's. If fev has ANYONE one on one, he will beat them 8 of 10 times.

Betts Fev Kruzer
Houla Waite Walker

Leave any of those players at your own peril opposition coaches!!

Wiggins to come off the bench and tackle chase, hit packs hard, impact! Cloke down there occasionally, but close to goal.
I really am not sure about Fisher.... apart from his obvious goal kicking issues... he goes to ground and is out of the contest too often.

Exciting times, at least now we have options

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Melvey wrote:
The problem with Hartts is that Cloke and Krooze are ahead of him in the pecking order. Also with the big Fev as a vocal point we will struggle to develop other options unless Fev plays a different role.


That wouldn't be Focal point would it?

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1) Most important is how we bring the ball into the forward line. Cut out the fiddling around the wing. Work out a way in when opposition teams flood back. Better cattle will help, esp Yarran & Warnock giving us more quality options, but it will still be messy unless we can improve our plan.

2) Lots of potential forwards to choose from: Fev, Yarran, Kruez, Fisher, Betts, Walker, Houlihan, Cloke, Waite, Simpson, Edwards, Hartlett, Wiggins... not to mention the odd appearance by Judd/Gibbs/Murph/Stevens.

My preference:
Talls: Fev, 2 of Kruez/Fisher/Cloke (rotating off the bench)
Smalls: 2 of Yarran/Betts/Houlihan (rotating off the bench)
Mid: Walker/Russell, rotating off bench or through midfield for Judd/Gibbs/Murph/Stevens

Waite primarily in back half, pinch hitting or floating forward like our 1995 backline. Simpson half back/wing/goals on the run from 45...
Harts & Edwards to prove themselves with the Bullants.
Wiggins - polyfiller.


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baz_baz wrote:
Melvey wrote:
The problem with Hartts is that Cloke and Krooze are ahead of him in the pecking order. Also with the big Fev as a vocal point we will struggle to develop other options unless Fev plays a different role.


That wouldn't be Focal point would it?


Im such a spaz. Spank me baz_baz i been naughty!!


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Melvey wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Melvey wrote:
The problem with Hartts is that Cloke and Krooze are ahead of him in the pecking order. Also with the big Fev as a vocal point we will struggle to develop other options unless Fev plays a different role.


That wouldn't be Focal point would it?


Im such a spaz. Spank me baz_baz i been naughty!!


Its all cool....thought you might have been refering to Fev's loud calls for the ball :shock:

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Synbad wrote:
.. and Fish/ Edwards /Robertson as more floating forwards...


Who's Robertson?
Late PSD nomination from MFC?
Or did Shane Robertson accept Brett Ratten's invitation for all ex-Blues to get back to the club and got a guernsey?


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