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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:48 pm 
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Don't tell me Beano was wrong?

Setanta doesn't hate Ratts?

Where is Beano anyway?

Pretty pathetic comment that - putting words into Beano's mouth which he didn't say.

Beano suggested that the lack of love was going the other way - that he was the target of disrespectful and upsetting comments.

And that seems to be entirely consistent with yesterday's news reports. There were comments about friction and frustrations involving Santy and Aisake and others.

How about this for a scenario. Santy has had health issues for the whole year which were hard to diagnose and treat. Then he copped calf problems around the time of the Bullants' match against Bendigo. There were those at the club who started ridiculing Santy for being a sook and a wimp because of the problems he was complaining about.

Now, the 2 most inflammatory things you can say about a footballer, or any team sportsman, are that he's a dud and he's a coward or wuss.

I'd say that the latter is the worst. I'd say most of us have heard that sort of stuff at footy clubs - someone complains of injury and others throw about barbs that he must have pulled a heart muscle. At least if someone talks you down as a dud, you can prove yourself on the field. But if you're restricted by injury or health issues, your performance will tend to vindicate malicious gossip. As such comments go to your character, there's nothing worse that can be said of you. Have a look at the attitude to Sally Robbins at the selection trials for the Olympic Games this year. There was consistent commentary from others involved that she shouldn't be given a spot even if her results qualified her, and there was unprecedented jubilation when she didn't qualify. Such a reputation is absolute poison for a team sportsman.

In Santy's case, it appears from whispers passed on by some who say they have inside info that the dirty war reached a crescendo when Santy pulled up with injury in the Bendigo game. There was a suggestion that doctors couldn't find objective evidence of the injury, but as anyone with half a brain knows that doesn't mean that the conclusion can be drawn that no injury exists. Soft tissue and neurological issues aren't easy to diagnose objectively. Just look at Fev - he played on in 2005 as the club doctors thought his groin was ok, but then the surgeon subsequently described the damage in the muscle as the worst he'd ever seen. And this year we've seen Judd play on when the club doctors cleared him of concussion, only to find that he supposedly suffered "delayed concussion" when there was a wave of criticism when he couldn't play the following week.

It appears the malicious gossipers were suggesting that Santy was either neurotic, or worse, that he was a sook who couldn't take being dropped. Can you imagine how much damage either characterisation could have created to his relationship with his team mates and coaches?

All of this was so unjust. When you're drawing conclusions about players, you have to look at their overall character. Santy deserves to be considered in a separate category to players such as Karl Norman and Laurence Angwin on one hand, and Ackland and Stephen Oliver on the other. Obviously, KN and LA found it difficult to commit themselves totally to their football given their off-field activities. Ackland and Oliver have, at least some of the time, found it hard to muster the fanatical desire to succeed in AFL footy - they would have been just as happy to spend their time elsewhere. Compare that to Craig Bradley or Robert Harvey. Nathan Burke related a story on radio about the club being mystified by soft tissue injuries that Harvey sustained in preseason as they thought they’d tailored the perfect program for him. Subsequently, they found out that he was running long distances in his time away from the club and working for hours on an exercise bike in his home. I’d put Santy towards the Bradley/Harvey end of the spectrum when it comes to dedication to his sport. He has come from the other side of the world and left behind friends and family to pursue his dream (and Stephen Oliver found a 2 hour car trip an insurmountable obstacle). Like Harvey, he has been criticised for overtraining. He doesn’t drink at all, and there have never been any suggestions that things outside football have distracted him. And you just have to look at his reactions after the Port win to see just how much passion he has for the sport and our club. To rubbish the concerns he has expressed about his health has always been breath-takingly disgraceful. If he says he has a problem, THEN HE HAS A PROBLEM – no objective evidence is required.

That’s what makes the recent announcement of his trip to Germany so wonderful. It looks as though the club has now rejected the viewpoint of the malicious gossipers and is accepting Santy’s concerns. Not only that, but it’s putting $20,000 into the treatment, so it isn’t just lip-service. It was great to hear Santy in his interview. He seemed like a guy who’d had a weight lifted off his shoulders, and it seems that he is just as keen to succeed with us as when he arrived (and he said all the right things to heal any rift that may have occurred). I can understand the way he feels. I feel so much more optimistic now. I don’t even know the guy like Beano does, but I feel jubilant and relieved that an injustice has been remedied and a wrong righted.

If a medical problem is identified and treated, then I would hope that those within the club who have trashtalked Santy are either moved on or are told in no uncertain terms that such poor player management cannot be repeated. With complete recovery, there’d be every chance that his speed and reaction time on the leading forward will rise to the same high standard as he showed this year with his body-on-body work against the gorillas. That is truly an exciting prospect.



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I just hope that Carlton’s decision to pay for his treatment in Germany isn’t a strategic investment to:
* ensure that Santy and Aisake don’t torpedo Carlton’s attempts to sign up the 2 Irish boys who are trialing with us (as you’d think that the Irish boys would seek out their opinions); or
* be able to present Santy to other clubs during trade time as a player who has overcome his injuries.

I also wonder about the problems between Lappin and Aisake. Until now, the assumption has been made that Santy’s relationship soured with some at Carlton after Aisake was demoted because of his run-in with Lappin. But the news report suggested that the injury issue with Santy had caused friction for Aisake. Could it be that we had it around the wrong way - that Aisake might have had a run-in with Lappin because of comments about Santy? If that is the case (and that is purely speculative of course), then I’d hope that the announcement regarding Santy’s trip to Germany will have a beneficial effect on Aisake too.
KK, re-read this post. Pretty much sums it up.

And guess what i'm not irish :wink: And i'm a better Carlton supporter than you, so there :o


I love footy and love Carlos but that tale makes him sound very soft. I hope it is not true.
You can go the soft route if you like or you can go the pathetically inept route of the coaching panel.

I don't think Setanta is soft and i don't think the coaching panel as a whole are completely inept.

I prefer to look in the grey area, go 50/50 and just hope that any situation caused by this is fixed and the big lug is rip roaring to go in 09. Because as much as people have a crack at was is an experiment, it's plain and obvious to see he fixes a structure weakness in our backline.

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Did anyone hear Phil Cleary again today?

Said Carlos will be going home soon because of personal reasons and will not be returning.

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Did anyone hear Phil Cleary again today?

Said Carlos will be going home soon because of personal reasons and will not be returning.

:?


He's going home for his sister's wedding - I guess you can call that personal reasons but it is less newsworthy.

Whether he comes back will largely depend on how successfully his injury is treated.

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Did anyone hear Phil Cleary again today?

Said Carlos will be going home soon because of personal reasons and will not be returning.

:?


He's going home for his sister's wedding - I guess you can call that personal reasons but it is less newsworthy.

Whether he comes back will largely depend on how successfully his injury is treated.


You mean his injury might never heal and he will be crippled for life and have to give up footy???

What is his injury EXACTLY anywar rr???

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Did anyone hear Phil Cleary again today?

Said Carlos will be going home soon because of personal reasons and will not be returning.

:?


He's going home for his sister's wedding - I guess you can call that personal reasons but it is less newsworthy.

Whether he comes back will largely depend on how successfully his injury is treated.


You mean his injury might never heal and he will be crippled for life and have to give up footy???

What is his injury EXACTLY anywar rr???


his injury might never heal and he would have to give up footy

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RiverRodent wrote:
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cj69 wrote:
Did anyone hear Phil Cleary again today?

Said Carlos will be going home soon because of personal reasons and will not be returning.

:?


He's going home for his sister's wedding - I guess you can call that personal reasons but it is less newsworthy.

Whether he comes back will largely depend on how successfully his injury is treated.


You mean his injury might never heal and he will be crippled for life and have to give up footy???

What is his injury EXACTLY anywar rr???


his injury might never heal and he would have to give up footy


Actually Clearly also stated that Sentata is on his last leg at CFC. He could have been referring to his injury??


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RiverRodent wrote:
Synbad wrote:
RiverRodent wrote:
cj69 wrote:
Did anyone hear Phil Cleary again today?

Said Carlos will be going home soon because of personal reasons and will not be returning.

:?


He's going home for his sister's wedding - I guess you can call that personal reasons but it is less newsworthy.

Whether he comes back will largely depend on how successfully his injury is treated.


You mean his injury might never heal and he will be crippled for life and have to give up footy???

What is his injury EXACTLY anywar rr???


his injury might never heal and he would have to give up footy



Whats the injury exactly?

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God i hope he's ok! Want to see him back in the Navy Blue next year!

Him, along with Bower / Thornton / Jamo / Austin could form an very hard fought backline and could free up Waite to go forward.

He is very much a needed player!

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Synbad wrote:
Whats the injury exactly?

Synbad, I'll venture a guess. I'm not privy to any direct info, but from what I'm hearing from others, it seems to be a neurological issue. There appears to be some misfiring of the nerves servicing the calves, and at the very least it is disconcerting and disruptive for Santy. At worst, it reduces the ability to push off from a standing start to a degree which would limit his effectiveness on leading forwards. Maybe it's restless leg syndrome (which isn't treatable unless there's an underlying pathology which can be treated), and maybe it's something else. The doctors he's been sent to around here haven't isolated a cause.

The problem with neurological issues is that the problem might emanate from another part of the body. For example, spinal stenosis (an abnormal narrowing of the spinal canal impinging on the spinal cord) can cause pain or abnormal sensations in the legs. Livo seemed to have had such a problem as he had muscle wasting in one of his legs and couldn't travel in his last season with us.

As I say, feel free to treat all of the above with a grain of salt. The truth is that no one knows at the moment, and that's why he's being sent to see the guru in Germany.


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what ryan said..... potentially great player if he can get fit, and if he was playing injured this year, it make some of his performances standout even more.

His game on Lloyd (the Pipo Inzaghi of the AFL) last year was sublime, and if were were in any doubt about his potential, we need only to re-watch that game.

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Barnaby French's last game was Carlos' best. He absolutely flogged Barry Hall that day, and we got pumped by 100+ points.

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I thought his games on Travis Cloke and Matthew Pavlich this season we're close to his best!

Travis & Matthew are very hard to beat and you could tell both were frustrated by Setanta's domination..............Especially Cloke !

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if we play Setanta with Jamo, T-bird, Bower, Waite and an Anderson etc..., we will have a bloody tall yet bloody athletic stopping brigade. All could and have played on smaller and taller players. Throw in Austin who would benefit from more gametime, and that is a pretty exciting Geelong-esque (but for experience) back 6.

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so many great games from him it's hard to pick his best one.










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good guess Indie.

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RiverRodent wrote:
good guess Indie.


I don't like you saying that RR.............. makes me think that the odds of seeing Setanta in the Navy Blue are not so good???

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All the best Setanta - I would have you in our 22 come number 17 - hope you come back from Germany ready to go in season 2009. :wink:

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