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We've got a very, very good full back in the making...Jamison. Unfortunately he didn't play on Saturday night. But remember back to the first game this year against Brisbane. They kicked to Bradshaw 9 times in the first half, and he didn't get a single possession, Jamison killed him. Then Jamison hurt his shoulder, and Bradshaw got 9 possessions and a goal in the second half.


I'm a fan & absolutely no disrespect to Jamison intended, but as you said "in the making".


Yep, making...he's already good, soon to be very good, and IMHO, will be a great FB.

Why recruit another one?

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We've got a very, very good full back in the making...Jamison. Unfortunately he didn't play on Saturday night. But remember back to the first game this year against Brisbane. They kicked to Bradshaw 9 times in the first half, and he didn't get a single possession, Jamison killed him. Then Jamison hurt his shoulder, and Bradshaw got 9 possessions and a goal in the second half.


I'm a fan & absolutely no disrespect to Jamison intended, but as you said "in the making".


Yep, making...he's already good, soon to be very good, and IMHO, will be a great FB.

Why recruit another one?


I've no problem with your prediction re how good Jamo will be ... my initial question was whether we needed an experienced full-back who could educate our young guns ...

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illyria wrote:
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We've got a very, very good full back in the making...Jamison. Unfortunately he didn't play on Saturday night. But remember back to the first game this year against Brisbane. They kicked to Bradshaw 9 times in the first half, and he didn't get a single possession, Jamison killed him. Then Jamison hurt his shoulder, and Bradshaw got 9 possessions and a goal in the second half.


I'm a fan & absolutely no disrespect to Jamison intended, but as you said "in the making".


Yep, making...he's already good, soon to be very good, and IMHO, will be a great FB.

Why recruit another one?


I've no problem with your prediction re how good Jamo will be ... my initial question was whether we needed an experienced full-back who could educate our young guns ...


And my thoughts on that are no, we need a CHB or CHF, because we only have one player who can play those roles, and we need (at least) 2. We have a FB...would be nice to have an experienced player in every position who can teach the young guns, but that's a luxury no team can afford with a list or 38 (and that's what coaches are there for).

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Siegfried wrote:
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We've got a very, very good full back in the making...Jamison. Unfortunately he didn't play on Saturday night. But remember back to the first game this year against Brisbane. They kicked to Bradshaw 9 times in the first half, and he didn't get a single possession, Jamison killed him. Then Jamison hurt his shoulder, and Bradshaw got 9 possessions and a goal in the second half.


I'm a fan & absolutely no disrespect to Jamison intended, but as you said "in the making".


Yep, making...he's already good, soon to be very good, and IMHO, will be a great FB.

Why recruit another one?


I've no problem with your prediction re how good Jamo will be ... my initial question was whether we needed an experienced full-back who could educate our young guns ...


And my thoughts on that are no, we need a CHB or CHF, because we only have one player who can play those roles, and we need (at least) 2. We have a FB...would be nice to have an experienced player in every position who can teach the young guns, but that's a luxury no team can afford with a list or 38 (and that's what coaches are there for).


Again, no disrespect (I'm fairly new to this forum). When you say "we need a CHB or CHF, because we only have one player who can play those roles", are you talking another JW type player?
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D Kerr
and then a ruckman.


I'm pretty new to this, but would have thought we've got a good supply of Kerr-type players?


Hampson did a good job on the weekend and has a dammmn good leap at centre bounces.

He should develop, but you never know.

I think the defence looks good - would like another solid half forward.


I love Hammer, but you can't say he did a good job on the weekend. Fumbled anything that went near him


It says he only won six hit outs in the official stats, but stats can paint a picture and then centre square contests can paint another picture.

I was at the game and I distinctly remember him jumping over the top of the opposing ruckman in the centre square. He has a massive leap.

I agree with your point about around the ground - but that will/should? improve the more game time he gets.

Very athletic player.

They were talking him up quite a bit on ABC radio.


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illyria wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
illyria wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
illyria wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
We've got a very, very good full back in the making...Jamison. Unfortunately he didn't play on Saturday night. But remember back to the first game this year against Brisbane. They kicked to Bradshaw 9 times in the first half, and he didn't get a single possession, Jamison killed him. Then Jamison hurt his shoulder, and Bradshaw got 9 possessions and a goal in the second half.


I'm a fan & absolutely no disrespect to Jamison intended, but as you said "in the making".


Yep, making...he's already good, soon to be very good, and IMHO, will be a great FB.

Why recruit another one?


I've no problem with your prediction re how good Jamo will be ... my initial question was whether we needed an experienced full-back who could educate our young guns ...


And my thoughts on that are no, we need a CHB or CHF, because we only have one player who can play those roles, and we need (at least) 2. We have a FB...would be nice to have an experienced player in every position who can teach the young guns, but that's a luxury no team can afford with a list or 38 (and that's what coaches are there for).


Again, no disrespect (I'm fairly new to this forum). When you say "we need a CHB or CHF, because we only have one player who can play those roles", are you talking another JW type player?
Illy


Could be a Waite type. Could be a power forward, could be a Roert Murphy type. We need someone who can hold down CHF, we need someone who can hold down CHB. Right now, we only have one player capable of playing those roles, so we need another.

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Siegfried wrote:
We've got a very, very good full back in the making...Jamison. Unfortunately he didn't play on Saturday night. But remember back to the first game this year against Brisbane. They kicked to Bradshaw 9 times in the first half, and he didn't get a single possession, Jamison killed him. Then Jamison hurt his shoulder, and Bradshaw got 9 possessions and a goal in the second half.

Keep in mind...Bradshaw's record in the lead-up to that game was 3 goals, 3, 5, 5, 7, 6 and 1 (Geelong), and after the Carlton game 6 and 6 before he got injured. Puts into perspective just how good Jamison's job on him was.

FB is not a problem. CHB is, as is CHF. While Waite's reading of the play and rebound off half back has been exceptional this year, he does struggle a little on the power CHFs. And it would be nice to release him to play loose across half back, on a wing, or across half forward.

So...we need either a CHF or a CHB. My preference would be to pick up a CHB, and release Waite forward, but I would be happy if we found a CHF and Waite stayed back.

As for the ruck, I think Hampson will make it, and Kreuzer will be a star. Haven't seen Jacobs so don't know. They are a few years away though, and so a stop-gap ruckman for 2 years would be useful (NOT White, and NOT Brogan for 3 years, as was discussed on AW tonight. Maybe for 2 years).

To answer the question, our most pressing need is a CHF or CHB.


What he said.

Jamo the man, for sure. Bower also looked good back there v Bradshaw in last qtr - a nice back up, especially with another pre season under his belt :wink: .

A CHF the priority. Backs and mids the least of our probs.


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Backs and mids the least of our probs.


:-D Been a while

Jamo, Austin, Bower, Thornton.... They're all a similar type of player - not overly tall or big.... rely heavily on technique. Waite is a different kettle of fish. He has done a fantastic (almost AA) job playing out of position.

Carlos is the key. He is, as Denis said, the guy to play on the gorillas.... For whatever reason, we got his development wrong and he's had a couple of set backs that haven't helped, but when you look at 1) our current list and 2) the draft, he is the closest thing we have to a full back.

If we can plug carlos in at Full Back, the match-ups for everyone else are turned in our favour.

So, yeah, we need a FB and a ruck but we're talking about icing on the cake. We have got the best available 'first choice' options already on our list.

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IMO a stop gap geunine ruck man would have been very handy this year but less so for next season and even less the year after.

so i reckon we are at the point we should just back hammer and krueze to share the number one duites and if injury or form become an issue go to a rookie like jacobs or pinch hit with cloke again.

a KP defender would free up waite to play forward where he can exploit defences.


ruck will hopefully sort itself naturally with hammer and kruze and maybe another kid we draft or promote in the next few years.


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Long term its Michael Hurley so stuff short term :wink:


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