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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:32 am 
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Bruce Doull
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dannyboy wrote:
what about CHF?


KREUZER!!!!!

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I prefer Kruezer at CHF and part time rucking....we probably need another tall ruckman like Warnock however I think Melbourne would have to be favourites for his services .
I'd like to see Hampson back in the team and NO 1 ruckman, I think he is good talent and can make us competitive at ruck contests.

Cloke is a great trier and his work around the ground is excellent however we need something better vs the very good teams.

Jacobs seems out of favour and Aisake the same which is a shame as I would promoted either of them ahead of Ellard as I view the ruck position as more important .

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Agree with most, desperately need a ruckman who can contest, we are getting absolutely smashed in hit outs (especially hit out to advantage).
Our boys are up there with the best when it comes to ground level but if we had a dominant ruckman I believe we would of won at least 2 more games than we have thus far.
Yes Cox smashed us with a injured foot but we also got killed the week before by two kids in Griffen and Tippett which i believe was the difference. We don't neccessarily need someone to come in and get 30 hit outs a game, just someone to match it with the opposition so the ball doesn't go to their advantage all the time.
Either try Aisake who apparently has athletism to get some air time or draft/trade for some 205cm plus kid next draft. Must keep Kreuz in to mature though.

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See.. i believe if we go after Warnock we will get him...
Choices

a) a Judd led Carlton revival to greatness.
b) Melbourne....... (enough said)

The kids own brother would tell him to go to Carlton....

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1. We need Hampson to ruck with Cloke asap.
2. We need Kruezer to go forward and provide another alternative to Fev and Fish out of the pocket. Ruck as needed when needed. Cloke can also play out of the pocket.
3. We need Hartlett to come good. He shows plenty when up and running.

If we can get 2 out of the above 3 we will be very close to playing ... well I'm not going to say it .... yet. :-D


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:01 am 
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Agreed with Elwood. I like Kruezer playing CHF on the promise that he will be spelled regularly. Hampson must be a priority and hopefully will come in for the Brisbane game against Charman and co.

Whether Cloke stays in the side i am not too sure and will be subject to balance but i like having him in the side, he is a competitor and gets some of the pill around the ground.

Tough one for the match committee although it may be made easier after Fevola's stupid indescretition re Selwood on Friday night.


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One thing that I factor when considering Hampson and Aisake is that they are not cumdersome and add some speed in the bigman division. Effextively, like Cox, it's like adding an extra RR rather than carrying a ruckman.

All this top heavy discussion reminds me of the day and age the 6 foot wingman was introduced, eventually leaving the midget wingman in their wake (not always though); it's a height advantage, without creating a pace deficiency.

Today the 190 cm winman or RR is a preference not a disadvantage.

So, if Aisake and Hampson were to make it, for arguments sake and Kreuzer was CHF and possibly rotating with Aisake and Hampson, as well as having Setanta in the backline, then that's 4 talls in the side. What's to suggest we're too top heavy?

Throw in Waite at CHB and Jamison and Thornton on the FB line, and even Bower at HB, I still don't consider that making us top heavy when they all have pace to carry on every line.

When one considers having cumbersome heavy weights such as Jacobs and Cloke in the same team, then sure, we become a bit top heavy.

Point is 200cm players with pace and mobility do not make us top heavy when we have a deep list of excellent midfielders to rotate from bench, from FP and HF. Players need to give 100% in bursts and rested for short periods, not whole quarters or even 3 quarters as in the Pagan era.

We lost against Essendon* after Hille had his injections and our players tired IMO...not because we were too top heavy.


It's good to be considered but they would have to promote me from the crookie list.

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Well this week we have the 3 big men playing!!!

This will give Ratts a few options and a few advantages.

Will Kreuzer play CHB as selected. I recokon he might be given the chance. Can't see why not if as I believe we'll win it at the clearances with a dominant midfield and a good chance the rucks may have the edge of Blake and Ottens.

Ottens can't ruck from the bench!!!!!

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