What position did he play in 2000-2001?

What position has he played since?

But keep trying to devalue everything you can.

As for 2008- he barely managed to play 3 games affected by injuries before having to undergo surgery.

And I wasn't the one who brought him up. Take it up with him. I know better than to bring him up. The results are here for all to see.

"you'd have seen his ability to tackle and pressure"....those were your words, and you still have not been able to demonstrate with those video clips that either attribute was present.
He didnt make one tackle in those clips........take a look at Richmond.....players of the ilk of Houlihan in Pettifer and Bowden are residing in the Coburg Tigers because there is more to being a footballer than getting the cheap possie, or joe the goose goal and being a finisher only.
Not a coincidence either that both Carlton and Richmond have been more competitive with less passengers in the team......

I dont hate Houlihan I just want some footballers who will give me a contest for 100 mins and do the 1%ers that make the difference....

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The arrival of Judd has made it clear there are no perfect players, though he is pushing as close to that as you can get.

Every player has their strengths and one of Houlihan's is as an uncanny goal kicker, able to kick goals off either foot.

How predictable.

Some words from the unbiased commentators:

"Well done Houlihan, sensational play Houlihan"- as he manages to win the ball against 2 opponents.

"Houlihan applying the pressure"

It seems as though some people only see what they want to see as long as it backs up their biased opinion.

Anyway the topic of this thread is crumbing. It is not tackling or Pettifer and Bowden (what has that got to do with anything?) or yet another opportunity for people to hijack the thread and turn it into yet another bagging thread as they always do, day in day out at every opportunity, even when he's sidelined for a lengthy period with a significant injury. Those who wanted him out of the team have got their wish. I hope they're satisfied.

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How predictable indeed, your devoted and blind loyalty to Houlihan.......the video doesnt lie, not a tackle to be seen......Pettifer and Bowden are similar types to Houlihan thats what its got to with the issue as you well know but wont admit, and they are redundant due to their shortcomings which they share with Houlihan.

Happy to talk about crumbing.....Eddie Betts has been doing a fine job and his tackling and pressure is what we need and some of his goals have been sensational.......

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How predictable indeed, your blind hatred to Houlihan.......

The videos are about crumbing, not tackling. I could demonstrate tackling videos but you would no doubt find fault with those somehow or other and I have better things to do with my time.

The MC obviously don't think he's redundant or they wouldn't select him each week- even when <100% fit or vote him top 4 in the B&F. What does that say about your opinions? Due to injury you got your wish that you didn't want to watch him running around in a Carlton jumper. I hope you're satisfied.

Yes go and discuss Betts if you like him so much and stop hijacking this thread, which is supposed to be about crumbing.

That's enough guys.

Absolutely.
He's really starting to look comfortably dangerous, if that makes any sense.
Maturity, fitness and perhaps some Judd influence has brought EDDIEBETTS! along quite nicely as a crumber/midfielder.

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Was that crumbing goal good enough for you KK?!

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I wish I could just say that.

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Definitely, but my point remains: that we lack a certain someone/something which locks the ball in our F50 when the ball goes to ground from a dropped mark or spoil.

In the 3rd qtr last night, the speed at which the few forays forward rebounded was very worrying. We could have absorbed the pressure much better if we had have been able to keep the ball forward more often.

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I couldn't agree more...

In the modern game your forwards have to be the hardest workers out there, there's no such thing as going to the forward line for a rest anymore.........

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Even bigfooty close down threads bagging injured players.

Always much maligned BW -Elwood and I have been debating his worth -good naturedly since 2000
My view is that he is in our best 22 and is very skilled -obviously not tough player but not as timid as people suggest either
I do think that the criticism that when the chips are down he doesnt sometimes show perhaps the leadership required and dig deep BUT I think that is symptomatic of the teams he has been in and lets face it until we got the beautiful bald man this year there has been a dearth of leadership at Carlton since Kernahan was Captain

I think guys like houlihan fisher thorton have suffered because of this lack of leadership.

That makes sense.

One things for sure, since the drycleaners incident with Fev many years ago he has kept his nose squeeky clean..........Unlike Fev.

Who would of thought this was even remotely possible at the time?

Houla in the best 22, even though he is soft, and so long as he shows ticker (his biggest flaw)

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Phhhhhht.
CHF in todays game is not necessary. Sides do not need a dominant CHF to be successful. Ultimately that position should be bypassed with run and carry or at very least, played by quick lead up players with good hands like Brad Fisher. We do not want to be kicking long to big packs at CHF. Having said that JK would fit in very nicely there, but I don't think its vital like it used to be say 10 years ago.
Lightning quick midfielder = Judd.. Simmo's quick also, Murph not slow
Hard running defender = WALKER. and Waite plus Thornton, bower coming along nicely, anderson i think will do well when he gets another chance. All running defenders.
Another indiginous bloke with some x factor would be alright but they are generally inconsistent and flashy.. how many do Geelong have? not what champion teams are built on.

So you want to bring in say 6 - 8 new players.. who would you drop from the current side considering Walker, Thornton, Hampson, Hadley, Bannister, Houlihan to come back in??

Houlihan and Bannister may be questionable for some, but the other 4 have to be in our best 22. So you are basically saying we have to drop 4-6 players plus another 6-8 for the guys we "need", making it around half the side. Who are you suggesting this 12 or so players should be to get the chop from the ideal starting 22?

Thats not to mention Anderson, Benjamin, Austin, Armfield, Pfieffer, Hartlett etc who are all developing and one or a few of these guys are likely to become very good players, i think Anderson and Pfieffer in particular.

My point is we need to stop saying we need new players and different players etc. We've done that we have all the potential and talent we need on the list now lets focus on developing what we have and getting them playing like a team. And at the same time we will get the annual injection of talent with the draft but lets not make that our focus.

GO BLUES

I know I have selectively quoted you but I think those sides who DO have a good CHF would disagree. Brisbane won 3 with Brown and Hawthorn are going to win a few with Franklin.
Geelong seems to be the exception, but we are about to find out how good Tom Hawkins is. I think Hawthorn will beat Geelong and Franklin will be the difference.
Sydney bypass CHF because on the SGC you can kick it from the centre to FF. Their gameplan is based on that and works on bigger grounds most of the time but not always. We always lost there when we were winning elsewhere, even before the Swans were a power, because before Fev, we had a game plan that said kick it to Kernahan or Whitnall at CHF.
West Coast won one with a midfield but only one and might have done better but their window is now closed.
When Collingwood win they usually win when Rocca fires. Fortunately that's not often so they are their usual bridesmaid selves.
My point is this:
Yes it is possible to do well without a dominant CHF but is a lot easier WITH one. If we can develop Harlett or Kreuzer or Cloke or somebody else, it will be better for us than having to rely on mids to do the job.
I'd like to see Fev out there kicking over the flood. He already does it a lot from FF so at CHF it might be an option. But then we will need a FF....

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Yeah i do agree to point, I just don't think it's like it used to be when you needed a Carey or Brown or Kernahan. Yeah, Brisbane have a true CHF in Brown and won 3, but Geelond doesnt have one and don't need one. West Coast never had one, all they needed was a true full forward like Fev. Basically constant long kicking to contests has all but left the game and with it has the need for a true CHF in the Brown/Carey mould.