Absolutely, he shouldn't be criticized for the way he has handled our kids. Bentick, Thornton, Santy, Carazz were all rookie elevations and Simmo and Fisher were rather late picks. And no one can ever doubt what a sensational job he has done with Fevola - there were a very small portion of people who believed Fev could turn it around and one of them was Pagan.

You have to say that Pagan is one of the best at extracting the best out of a player. He, Leigh Matthews, Roos, Woosha and Mark Williams are probably the best in this category.

Just because Gibbs isn't winning the Rising Star Player of the Week, doesn't mean he is being played the wrong way. Pagan has the intention of turning this guy into the complete package.

I still think that when our key guys all have two or three seasons under their belt, Pagan will have exactly what he needs to contest for the flag.

some classic moves by pagan....

Kennedy on fire and full confidence at qtr time and then takes him off...

walker on thomas...( when will he release him...Walker isgetting frustrated..it showed in the way he played today)

Houlihan on didak...

Waited to the foward line in the last qtr...(you got ot be joking)

We have alot of good yound kids but unfortnatley....

NO BELIEF!!!!

until this is restored with a young coach..GUY MCKENNA like...we will keep doing the MOONWALK!!!!(going backwards for the non Michael JAckson Fans)

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I reckon he'll be gone at the end of the year.

gald someone else thought that, but remember azza that JK is the new TC whipping boy now ...negatives only please!

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There's so much I could say...

Denis has had his crack and it hasn't worked. Whether he's a good coach or not, the message is tired and he has overseen a losing culture since arriving. Pratt has sought a revamp of the club and there's one thing left to freshen up; but the decision of whether he goes now or at season's end should be determined by who his replacement is.

I agree with those who think Pagan will be gone at season's end.

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I believe we need a change of coach. I have nothing against Pagan but I just feel he and the players are not in sync. Footy coaching has changed and younger coaches are the way of the future probably because they can relate a lot more to the players especially in our case where we have such a young list. I also feel the assistants should also be young and enthusiastic people as well. We are in need of a coach and coaching panel with new and fresh ideas to re-invigorate our young list (who I feel are highly talented with great potential. We need to top up with additions to our ruck division and midfield at the end of this year and then its all systems go. Guy Mckenna feels right to me.

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Thanks for the memories Kouta. You are and always will be a True Blue Carlton Legend. #43.

sack him today.

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dane's trolling again

I agree. I'd sack him today before tomorrow but I feel from what Pratt has said, hidden behind his words he is saying that if he finds the right coach now who is not contracted currently to a club then Pagan goes immediately. If he gets a positive response from a contracted coach then he may wait ....unless of course we continue losing in which by about midseason the decision will definitely be made.

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" Koutoufides has taken the last quarter by the scruff of the neck..." Commentary Drew Morphett Last Qtr '99 Prelim. Pure Gold.

Thanks for the memories Kouta. You are and always will be a True Blue Carlton Legend. #43.

I won't judge Pagan on where we are at or how our list is developing. What I judge Pagan on is giving our team a structure and gameplan that will enable our team to win. He has failed to do so and is completly outcoached week in and week out (with exception against Sheedy). He does not know how to overcome flooding tactics which is paramount in todays footy, doesn't know how to make use of the interchange bench, no stucture in the way of blocking and protecting players, simplistic forward settups, always uses negative tactics rather than attacking (especially concidering the strength of our fowards as apposed to our defence) and does not react quick enough to opposition moves that expose our weaknesses. For this reason he has to go and we need to seek a younger and streetsmart coach that will invigorate our side and take us back to where we belong at the top of the ladder. We need to make this decision at the end of the year as contractual arrangments will limit the candidates mid year and I have never been a fan of caretaker coaches, although it worked quite well for Sydney

Witout saying directly that Pagan will be gone at the end of the year, Pratt saying that Pagan will be alright if we keep winning and he expects us to win 10-11 games for him to survive pretty much says it all really.

I'd expect him to be sacked shortly after Round 22 and then the process will begin in finding our next coach. While I wouldn't mind seeing Ratten given the job, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we didn't at least cast the net out and go through an extensive process to find our next coach.

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Those players have shown that they can play AFL but maybe another coach may have made the transition faster who is to say another younger coach may have developed them better than even Pagan.

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

Sorry Jack.
1 of the players you mentioned is 23 and in his 5th season of AFL and another is turning 24 this year and in his 6th year within the system.
One of them was still playing VFL last year.

If that is the development of youth pagan is hanging his hat on, we're scraping the barrel.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I seriously cant see Pagan be the senior coach in 2008.

In saying that, I would be suprised if Pagan was sacked before then...I hope that he does get sacked (yesterday) but Pratt and co will want to cast the net to get the BEST coach...and I believe pratt would think that most of the best coaches are already employed.

Who knows what is being said in the post match reviews.

Pratt/Icke and Swann could'nt be happy.

Maybe they will sack Pagan if we get to the 1/2 way point of the season and we are 2 / 9.

I think only then will they put an interim coach at the helm.

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Let's not flowering well kid ourselves. It is just by the grace of the almighty one that we are not stone motherless last again. The Bombers should have buried us when they were 8 goals up on us. The Demons are playing with half a side and Richmond have chosen this year to implode....again. Come back to me round 22 when we finish 2nd last or even last (Tigers are certs to beat us the second time round). Have a good look at the way we structure up and play week in week out. Expect no more than 4 more wins for the rest of 2007. We play with no belief. Sayonare DP

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

The players I mentioned were Simpson, Walker and Carazzo.

Simpson turned 23 ten days ago and is now one of our key running players.

Carazzo turned 23 last December, and is now a permanent fixture of our starting 22.

Walker has just turned 21, and is widely acknowledged as an emerging star.

Why is the fact that two of the players I cited as examples are 23 relevant as a negative? Players don't develop overnight, and being 23 means they are now entering their prime footballing years, and that they are now good footballers would indicate that their development during their youth was well managed.

I'm not sure of what is the point of your criticism.

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He's just shifting around the numbers to suit his argument...

Those pesky people with those pesky facts ey BV.



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