Walker had a ordinary night but looked very sore after Kelly gave him an irish whip tackle and he appeared to bang his head on the turf..I think he may have gone off then and didnt return until much later.....Walker will be a player but needs some better stronger players around him to giv ehim confidence...he looks tentative when he gets the footy like he expects to be crunched...probably due to the fact that sheperding isnt one of our strong points.....

Because there will be no POSITIVES thread for this week, let me pop a couple in to make myself feel a bit better:

Waite's hands
Lappin's endeavour
Star Wars starts next week

I have nothing

And the sad thing is that, part from saying there'd be no more blow outs, the coach predicted we might do it tough this year


Tough

Understatement

And by the way, I don't believe I've ever bagged a player on the web, and i hope this comes back and bites me on the bum, but - nah, @#$%&! it, I just can't be bothered

I'm still numb from last week, I think I understood then (at half time when I LEFT) that our season is really gone...

THEREFORE,

The only thing that was clear to me tonight was that JARRAD WAITE WILL BE OUR BIG, FAST, AGRO, (and most of all) GUN CHF THAT WE WILL BUILD A PREMIERSHIP SIDE AROUND.

Well.... him or Setanta... either way...

Everyones been saying how important Waite is to our future, and I regret to say I never really bought into it THAT MUCH...

Tonight I finally saw it...



Does that count as a positive?

I reckon everyone's going to be too busy sinking the boots in to notice, but what the hell....

The obvious things to me tonight

1. Tackling, Disgraceful... Geelong players getting their arms free too much, allows them to either break the tackle or give the ball off.

2. Lack of accountability. Allowing Geelong players to run into 50 for uncontested marks and easy goals. There was a patch in the last quater, early when we were under 7 goals down, a couple of Geelong players loose inside 50, ball spilt out and was contested around the 50m line, the geelong players were picked up, quick kick forward and Steve Johnson was 10m clear of anyone.

When the ball is inside defensive 50 and you've manned a player up its unforgiveable to leave that man.

3. Our passing, particularly into 50....Its not all skills, its our approach. We kick to players, rather than to the advantage of players. so the ball is going over their head. Makes it either difficult to mark or easy to spoil. We need to be kicking the ball a little shorter so guys had to run onto it, both to our forwards and passing out of the backline.

It may sound easy and simplistic to say this, but if we had improved a reasonable amount in each of these categories we would have been right in the game and all this other talk would disappear.

An eternal optimist, but I still think we can turn this around just by working a little harder on some of these things and going back toplaying guys in their best positions. Lets pick our best team and work around the rest.

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That's better. Well, kind of, I can't make many excuses for the team's performance tonight.

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we are slow, weak, lazy, dumb, old, fat, and untalented!

I believe a good team requires a good proportion of senior players and youngsters, the gap between our senior players and young kids are too wide!

it's gonna take 10 years guys! we are stuffed!!!

@#$%&!!!

what do you mean.. we won the Wizard Cup

There is no one to Blame for this Yet again Pathetic performance but Denis himself.....Where do i start..... its easy to bag the players and say they are not good enough, but my bother mention it when we all can see how they kick, and turn over the ball..

tonight;s game showed me how Clueless we are when it comes to Tackling....

Back to Denis...... we all made him a god that cant be touched or bagged, yet i Blame no one but him for being narrow minded, stuborn and just irogant, pure irogant....

What the hell has he done with the players after last week? nothingggggggggggg..... absoultely nothing..... his tactics are beyond a joke....

Jesus Christ, he is such a one Dimensional coach... he does not like taking risks, he doesnt like new modern ideas, he has one old Fashioned style of football, when it comes good, he looks a great coach, but when it back fires, just looks stupid...

Who is ever goona tell denis that people are moving forward and that his game plan is so easily read by the opposition week in, week out?


OK forget his game style... let me make few points here...

1- When you damn know how short manned you are in Defence, whyyyyyyyyy the hell would u leave morrel, normal or Bryne out of the team? Surelyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy one of them could have done a much better job than lance in Defence........ His selection was pure shocker.... putting Lance in defence was the most Stupid negative move i ever seen... it makes Denis look nothing but Stupid......

how many times does it take to underatand that Lance is not a natural defender? how on earth can u put him on a key forward and expect him to play? he couldnt even run with King on the Run....

Lance 's place is with Fev.... them two together is the only solotion.. Denis, get this point into your head for the love of your Club..... YOU conceeded the game before the ball was even bounced

2- If your going to promote a player into the seniors, whyyyyyyy the heck do u choose them just to make the numbers? why on F**** sake dont u give them the opportunity to play and see if they can do something?

why doesnt he take risks? last week he brauggt the irish man, and the way he used him was a total wasteeeeee of Selection... what f*** give him a taste of the real thing? are we such a top side that Denis can afford to give a guy a taste of AFL? he needed to put Ohalpin in the second half for the whole time and just let the kid do what he wants...

Again, this week, very positive move.. Bentick finally in and into the Centre as denis indicated on his team selection.. what does he do??

he starts him on the bench and rarely lets him get into the game or build any condifence to play.... yet again another Wasted player who was just selected to make the numbers...


We are at real Crisis, cuase honestly and for the first time , i realy think that Denis has lost Faith in all of his players that he must have decided he will not be making much changes nor giving guys in the VFL much chance.... now i understand when he said that we have no super Stars in the VFL...

too many ordinary players.....all recycled players must GO..... the Wall can not be re-painted again.... we need a new Wall, new blood, new talent.. plz lets get the wooden spoon....

nah were not that bad.. we will be back next week.
Im tipping us.

I agree.. if Digby played we would have won.

Im disillusioned too.. i cant believe Denis had 6 days with the players and they looked identical when they ran out tonight. I was hoping for a couple to bleach their hair...or get a tatt...

John Kennedy Senior had a saying about sausages........
What we need is belief in what they train to do.... they dont believe in what they have been training to do...
Its simple really isnt it???Denis has been signed to do a job for 4 years now.. if you dont believe in it you shouldnt be out there.
Dont think just do!!!
If they stopped thinking.....and just did it wed start improving.

But too me that all starts at the top of the playing group...

Someone told me who saw the Foxtel game against Richmond that Manton was taking a couple of swipes at Denis training methods...

Its all the same....

and that is why in my opinion we have to get rid of the 3 amigos.
Sure Kouta did ok.... Campo did ok... Lance did ok....

But we need a totally new direction now.

The days of sentiment and complacency that we are Carlton and all will be ok.. are gone!!!
We need to strip EVERYTHING old away and start again.... including this bullshit pride some of have...

There is a system... it can be used... if you want to use it.. when the loophole is blocked it will be evern harder.

I can take the pain. .. i dont mind seeing more kids.. as long as were working to a plan... and that plan is about sustained long term success.
Collingwood just realised if you dont really have the takent its not sustainable..
Talent only comes in the door via one way...

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The most over rated highest paid hack we have on our list is

DENIS PAGAN !!!

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

all the bullshit about players lacking it and a lack of leadership.....suer it might be true

BUT it has to start with Denis - and what we have seen this year is more than a lack of skill......we have lacked the essences of what the game is about at levels committment.......Denis need sto have a good hard look at himself just as much as the whloe damn lot of them do.

The place is lacking from a serious dose of self belief.

and they just went and signed up Pagan for another 3 years too...

Exactly, so why do people waste their time calling for the sacking of Pagan? And what is the alternative? Blaming coaches is always soooooo easy. Well he has 3 and half year of contract left so this "lynch the coach" is not construtcive.

Now, sitting at TD yesterday I had the following thoughts:

- It is really clear now, missing out on so many good young kids over 2 years is really hurting us now. And yes, 10 wins last year is hurting us on the field now - but we needed the boost for financial/moral reasons. It is a loose - loose situation. Damn AFL, damn draft system.

- When we have the absolute best team on the field - and without injury - we are actually competitive - but only then. If Livo had played in the back (height) and Chambers in the middle (run) and Nick and Lappin fully fit, we would have been more competitive. The top up players like Davies and Prender are just not up to it, and Davies was terrible (especially in tackling) and a key catalyst for Geelongs easy delivery to their forward line.

- There IS a problem with the attitude of the "old guard". Campo IS a problem. He got lots of possesions but his lack of defensive pressure is terrible. Lance, nuff said, and even Kouta - while doing some good things - is not fast enough any more and does not get the tackling in.

The worst thing is that we only will improve if we get a lot of good picks and celan up the old contracts. I really hate to have to wish for 5 wins and no more. I hate the AFL...

If Pagan had done what you had wanted and played the hack backmen we would have lost by30 goals. Not his fault - doesn't have the cattle - Whitnall up forward is better than whitnal up back - but No Whitnall up forward is not as bad as No Whitnall up back (It makes sense to me anyway)

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When Whitnall plays up front he bludges.. but playing in defence forces Lance to be accountable and at least earn part of his over the top wages.

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