Can anyone recall watching players of yesteryear, get an absolute bath to the point where you can pinpoint it as being the time you thought "yep, that's the end of them"?

I can remember a game from 1998 where Michael Sexton got an absolute bath from Chris Grant to the point where I thought that he no longer had it.

Admittedly he hung around for another season and a half, but at the same time, was never the same after that.

Any similiar thoughts?

Perhaps Bruce Doull playing on "Sticks" in the State of Origin match in Adelaide prior to Sticks joining us..

The day I heard we recruited Stephen O'Reilly. I knew then it was the end of the road for him. The club definitely jumped the shark that day.

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I'm just ever thankful that some great Carlton players, SOS, McKay, Bradley, never saw this day.

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Sorry Fellas
But This IS Carlton

In the days when we were KINGS
We cut, sacked or moved our champions on prior to them being past it. St Kilda were the carlton 2nds for a very long time

The champion players since 1998 have had the luxury of playing till they drop. This is part of what led us to destruction.

Mark Maclure at a BBQ I attended asked David Parkin what he noticed about every player in attendence.

The answer " I SACKED everyone of them"

Go through our great Teams o the 80's and Early 90's you'll see what I mean!

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

The man makes a good point.....

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Trading Porter for McKernan was our shark-jumper for mine.

I cannot remember ever being so disgusted at a trade before or since.

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

One of the most ruthless cuts of all was in about Round 17. 1974 when George Harris told John Nicholls that he had retired as a player.

Doesn't come more ruthless than that.

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good post

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I think his book was called a year too long - must have been a shocker or two during his last season that let him know that the end of the road was nigh.

Only two words required:

LUKE LIVINGSTON

(or the other term I had for him a "sh*t truck")

Round 15, 1998 - A no-name first season player (was it his debut) for the Tigers, Justin Plapp, embarrassed our great general in defence, Peter Dean, at a night game at the MCG. Plapp kicked 5, a number of them simple goals where Deany just had a shocker.

Although we probably knew Deany was in his last year, this was the night that confirmed it for all.

Livo never really had a bag kicked on him, or had a stand out "shocker" performance though.

Can remember 2 games in 05 where he was just left for the wolves, by playing on blokes he should never have been played on and possibly cost us matches. The first was being moved off Hall onto O'Loughlin for the last, who just ran him around, and the second was being left on Mark Williams in the last quarter, who was far too quick for him.

Unlucky was Livo.

Great post.

Hopefully the club becomes ruthless with the playing group again over time. Hanging onto and moddycoddling players builds a poor culture and makes the playing group more powerful than they should be.



molsey, ...... Deany??

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Agree. Livo copped a lot of crap for things way beyond his control.

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The reason why Livo never had a bag kicked on him was that he was usually sitting on the bench after his opponent had kicked 3 goals.

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I dont even remember his opponant kicking 3 on him very often. Given the lack of accountability in our midfield over the last few years Livo did a good job while he was out there.

We sacrificed Livo and Glen Manton to allow Mick Martyn to play 300 games

I'm not sure which champions had the opportunity to play on past their use by date. Allan, Beaumont & Co. weren't really champions and they were ushered out the door. As was Campo when it was obvious he wasn't interested in playing for the Navy Blue colours.

Ratten and Hickmott were cut down by injury, SOS and McKay retired at the top of their game, Bradley was talked into retiring

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010