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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2026 4:35 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Going back to the points about King/Mitchell implementing immediately noticeable change to their game plans, I’d add in McRae as well who memorably backed his team to keep attacking even though it cost them early on because “we want to play like winners”. By the end of that season, he was proven correct.
And yes, Mitchell’s Hawks finished well down the ladder. However, he famously gutted his list. The discussion at the time was whether he had cut too deep. But he was also insistent on his game plan.

It should be noted that Voss also imposed a new game plan focused on contest and clearance. And it was also clearly visible in his first year. The problem is that the game has moved since then and we haven’t adjusted enough, and also we have never been able to generate enough ‘good’ shots from our forward entries. Related to that, and maybe also to us running out of puff, is that after half time we stop providing multiple, repeat leads to give options to the ball carrier.
I’m not sure whether the forwards stop leading because our kickers just keep bombing it long, or whether our kickers keep bombing it long because there are no leads…

In any event, this season is going to be a series of rolling tests for Voss, any of which could trigger his demise.
The next test is where we are at after the next 2 matches. If we win both, he survives until the next test.
If we win one, the ice is getting thinner.
If we lose both, his papers will be stamped.


That’s just it. No one knows after 2 games.

Honouring leads is a non negotiable. We did all preseason, then stopped after half time both games, and those leads were there to be honoured….chose to increase our bombs as game progressed.

Agree with your last paragraph. Losses to developing teams will bring them undone in heat.

What I do wish deep down is to see Voss make a left field decision and throw a player forward who has a lot of enthusiasm and a lot to play for….Derksen. I believe he will lead hard, and he will play like his career depends on his success. I think the move is inevitable. He’s a good mark, mobile, quick and a straight kick at goal.

I know this is in reference to Derksen and he might yet still play him there, which I hope we do.
But so far Voss has put these players forward:
Kemp
Williams
McLovin
So it's not like they are not trying, it's just what is available that seems to be the bigger issue.

When HOK had the ball outside the F50 and all our forwards were stagnant and he ended up bombing it in to an opposition player who marked uncontested, I just thought how typical. No one was leading, that is not coaching that is players giving up.

I think this is a club wide issue that our players drop their heads when the opposition put the pressure back on us.
Out of the 3 players that moved on last year JSOS was the only one to actually get more possessions in the last quarter, Charlie and TDK only had 1 quarter in them when the produced, the first.
Unfortunately for us they are not the only players that played/play for us that are conditional, there are still too many at the club.

I agree about the trust issue you raise, you can see the players spread when Jagga gets the ball vs other players.
If I was a senior player and players were not making space for me, I should be starting to worry about my position and job.

In regards to Melbourne and their change of game style, we should also mention them gutting their list and delisting 2 of their top midfielders that were not producing and the types of players they brought in.
Remember that bloke I said we should recruit for peanuts, Mihocek. Well he kicked 3 goals, had 14 disposals and 339m gained.
He would've been our best forward against the Tigers.
And with the game clearly becoming a centre-forward offensive game, he would've been pretty handy as he makes things happen.
Hayward and Ainsworth may have not been enough to change our forward line make up.

So unfortunately for Voss and any coach that comes to us, we have players that are protected and the club would not sign off on them being moved on.
I was happy to see we made the trades we did last year but it was done because we had to and not because we wanted them to go.
And it still didn't address the area of the ground we have been consistently been underperforming in, the midfield.
If we keep playing the way we are for the rest of the year, no name should be safe, even leadership players.
I hope Wright has the ability to swing hard if he needs to because we are being left behind again and a full rebuild with Tasmania coming in will be a 10+ year sentence.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2026 4:37 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I remember Matty Kreuzer kicked 11 straight then got the yips.

I recall McKay's early games in the AFL and felt we finally got a KPF whose kick for goal as good as Ross Ditchburn

Maybe it's something in the water at Princes Park.
It could be laced with entitlement. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2026 4:51 pm 
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Well, I give us a chance against the Dees

The season is early. The sky isn’t falling in.

I give us credit for trying something. When it works, it works well. I’ll choose to be patient, support the efforts to change things up and build for something special.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2026 6:34 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Going back to the points about King/Mitchell implementing immediately noticeable change to their game plans, I’d add in McRae as well who memorably backed his team to keep attacking even though it cost them early on because “we want to play like winners”. By the end of that season, he was proven correct.
And yes, Mitchell’s Hawks finished well down the ladder. However, he famously gutted his list. The discussion at the time was whether he had cut too deep. But he was also insistent on his game plan.

It should be noted that Voss also imposed a new game plan focused on contest and clearance. And it was also clearly visible in his first year. The problem is that the game has moved since then and we haven’t adjusted enough, and also we have never been able to generate enough ‘good’ shots from our forward entries. Related to that, and maybe also to us running out of puff, is that after half time we stop providing multiple, repeat leads to give options to the ball carrier.
I’m not sure whether the forwards stop leading because our kickers just keep bombing it long, or whether our kickers keep bombing it long because there are no leads…

In any event, this season is going to be a series of rolling tests for Voss, any of which could trigger his demise.
The next test is where we are at after the next 2 matches. If we win both, he survives until the next test.
If we win one, the ice is getting thinner.
If we lose both, his papers will be stamped.


That’s just it. No one knows after 2 games.

Honouring leads is a non negotiable. We did all preseason, then stopped after half time both games, and those leads were there to be honoured….chose to increase our bombs as game progressed.

Agree with your last paragraph. Losses to developing teams will bring them undone in heat.

What I do wish deep down is to see Voss make a left field decision and throw a player forward who has a lot of enthusiasm and a lot to play for….Derksen. I believe he will lead hard, and he will play like his career depends on his success. I think the move is inevitable. He’s a good mark, mobile, quick and a straight kick at goal.



There's your problem. :lol:


You don't think he's a good straight kick for goal? or , Carlton curse will get him too?



What do you mean get?

Already got. :lol:

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