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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:41 pm 
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Welcome to Carlton Cody. That's probably the best news of the year so far.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 8:00 pm 
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Good lad.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 8:14 pm 
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malbi wrote:
Welcome to Carlton Cody. That's probably the best news of the year so far.

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Sure is. With the crap year we have had so far wouldn't have been surprised if he chose Richmond. He has made his decision now so the pressure is off him.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 8:22 pm 
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watch the afl change the rules now....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:32 pm 
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Tom Morris
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Blake Acres has missed out for @CarltonFC again this week. He is being rest from the VFL too. A fourth club not out of the question with teams keeping an eye on him. Contracted for two more years.


Will resting him from the VFL fix his shoulders?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:44 pm 
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Start spreading the news………good song that. Club trying to get some positivity out……


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:02 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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Blake Acres has missed out for @CarltonFC again this week. He is being rest from the VFL too. A fourth club not out of the question with teams keeping an eye on him. Contracted for two more years.


Will resting him from the VFL fix his shoulders?


NO.

He needs a lot of work and a lot of strength and conditioning from now till 2026 Round 1.

I'm glad he mentioned Acres has suitors and a Trade is a possibility.
In 2026 I expect he will be part of the increase in depth at Carlton.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:10 pm 
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Start spreading the news………good song that. Club trying to get some positivity out……


Cody Cody, hey boy, that's the way to go.

Cody Cody, hey boy, that's the way to go.

Cody Cody, hey boy, that's the way to go.

Its good to put the rumours he favours the Tigers to bed.
I wonder where that cane from.
Obviously gave Cody and Tex the shits to nominate us 18 months earlier than he had to.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:38 pm 
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bender wrote:
watch the afl change the rules now....

Unfortunately they already have and we will likely be paying market draft value for Cody.
It appears there is not a lot of advantage to be gained in having father/sons anymore, except for the marketing and sentimental value it can add.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:45 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
bender wrote:
watch the afl change the rules now....

Unfortunately they already have and we will likely be paying market draft value for Cody.
It appears there is not a lot of advantage to be gained in having father/sons anymore, except for the marketing and sentimental value it can add.


True, but if they change the rules, for the worse, for Carlton, we can argue we played within the rules before the changes and Cody nominated us within the "old" framework.

I think the AFL has already done the damage for us and Cody.

AFL have fkd up the Draft big time with the thoughless introduction of NGA picks (Jammarra, Quaynor :lol: ) to further dilute the purpose of the draft to give the bottom team the chance to rebuild from access to pick 1, and so on, unless the bottom team selects a FS called at No 1, (but matched by the Premier, effectively gifting the Premier with pick 1 player) then that's followed by second choice with pick 1 which happens to be a GCS Academy kid,(but matched by GCS effectively gifting the runner up pick 2), then next selection with same pick No 1, the bottom hasn't lost, and used to selecting an NGA player (matched by 3rd placed Geelong, effectively gifting 3rd placed team pick 3), then the bottom team keeps selecting best available.

From what we have seen recently, GCS had 3 Academy kids selected in the Top 10 player in the Draft, Brizzy had a Top 1 or 2 player, every team has at least one NGA, and 4 teams have Academies.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 7:48 pm 
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Because I found myself with an extra hour while waiting for a no-show plumber…

Here’s a summary of the off-season to come - complete with hair-trigger contract calls & cherry-picked trades and draft picks.

(21yo next season) Wilson - two years with games trigger for three, base money
(25yo) Kemp - one year with games trigger for three, lower mid level money
(28yo) Silvagni - four years with games trigger for five, top 10 money
(34yo) Haynes - one year, mid level money
(22yo) Motlop - two years, lower mid level money
(24yo) E.Hollands - retained, SSP/MSD replacement if it doesn’t work out
(29yo) Cincotta - promoted to primary list, two years, base money
(24yo) F.Young - retained rookie list
(20yo) H.Charleson - retained rookie list

(32yo next season) Docherty - retired, or delisted
(31yo) McGovern - trade with future R2 to WCE for (22yo) Harry Barnett
(30yo) Fantasia - retired, or delisted
(27yo) De Koning - FA to St Kilda, R1 compensation
(22yo) Lemmey - straight swap with Port for (21yo) Lachie Charleson
White - delisted
Monahan - delisted
Duffy - delisted
Evans - delisted


Additions:
Primary - Cincotta, R1 pick, Harry Dean, Lachie Charleson, Harry Barnett, (25yo) Malcolm Rosas
Cat A - Nil
Cat B - Tyson Gresham, Jack Ison

Deletions:
Primary - De Koning, Docherty, McGovern, Fantasia, Lemmey
Cat A - Cincotta, Evans, White
Cat B - Monahan, Duffy

Primary - 37
Cat A - 5 (F.Young, H.Charleson, O’Keeffe, Carroll, Lord)
Cat B - 2 (Gresham, Ison)

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), Harry Dean
[3] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Silvagni (fwd), O’Farrell
[3] Medium Defenders: Cowan, Carroll, Newman
[4] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid), H.Charleson
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands (def), Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, O’Keeffe (fwd), Harry Barnett (def)
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, B.Camporeale
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Smith, Sam Grlj
[4] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Cottrell (wing), F.Young, L.Charleson
[3] Medium Forwards: Williams (def), Moir, Jack Ison
[5] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Durdin, Motlop, Malcolm Rosas, Tyson Gresham
[3] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Kemp (def)


22 & Under

B: H.Charleson Dean Cowan
HB: Carroll O’Farrell Wilson
C: O.Hollands Lord L.Camporeale
R: Barnett Smith B.Camporeale
HF: Grlj Ison L.Charleson
F: Moir O’Keeffe Gresham
I: Motlop Binns

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 10:13 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Because I found myself with an extra hour while waiting for a no-show plumber…

Here’s a summary of the off-season to come - complete with hair-trigger contract calls & cherry-picked trades and draft picks.

(21yo next season) Wilson - two years with games trigger for three, base money
(25yo) Kemp - one year with games trigger for three, lower mid level money
(28yo) Silvagni - four years with games trigger for five, top 10 money
(34yo) Haynes - one year, mid level money
(22yo) Motlop - two years, lower mid level money
(24yo) E.Hollands - retained, SSP/MSD replacement if it doesn’t work out
(29yo) Cincotta - promoted to primary list, two years, base money
(24yo) F.Young - retained rookie list
(20yo) H.Charleson - retained rookie list

(32yo next season) Docherty - retired, or delisted
(31yo) McGovern - trade with future R2 to WCE for (22yo) Harry Barnett
(30yo) Fantasia - retired, or delisted
(27yo) De Koning - FA to St Kilda, R1 compensation
(22yo) Lemmey - straight swap with Port for (21yo) Lachie Charleson
White - delisted
Monahan - delisted
Duffy - delisted
Evans - delisted


Additions:
Primary - Cincotta, R1 pick, Harry Dean, Lachie Charleson, Harry Barnett, (25yo) Malcolm Rosas
Cat A - Nil
Cat B - Tyson Gresham, Jack Ison

Deletions:
Primary - De Koning, Docherty, McGovern, Fantasia, Lemmey
Cat A - Cincotta, Evans, White
Cat B - Monahan, Duffy

Primary - 37
Cat A - 5 (F.Young, H.Charleson, O’Keeffe, Carroll, Lord)
Cat B - 2 (Gresham, Ison)

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), Harry Dean
[3] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Silvagni (fwd), O’Farrell
[3] Medium Defenders: Cowan, Carroll, Newman
[4] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid), H.Charleson
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands (def), Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, O’Keeffe (fwd), Harry Barnett (def)
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, B.Camporeale
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Smith, Sam Grlj
[4] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Cottrell (wing), F.Young, L.Charleson
[3] Medium Forwards: Williams (def), Moir, Jack Ison
[5] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Durdin, Motlop, Malcolm Rosas, Tyson Gresham
[3] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Kemp (def)


22 & Under

B: H.Charleson Dean Cowan
HB: Carroll O’Farrell Wilson
C: O.Hollands Lord L.Camporeale
R: Barnett Smith B.Camporeale
HF: Grlj Ison L.Charleson
F: Moir O’Keeffe Gresham
I: Motlop Binns



I hope you have forwarded this to Austin so he knows what to do! or Wright?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:24 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Because I found myself with an extra hour while waiting for a no-show plumber…

Here’s a summary of the off-season to come - complete with hair-trigger contract calls & cherry-picked trades and draft picks.

(21yo next season) Wilson - two years with games trigger for three, base money
(25yo) Kemp - one year with games trigger for three, lower mid level money
(28yo) Silvagni - four years with games trigger for five, top 10 money
(34yo) Haynes - one year, mid level money
(22yo) Motlop - two years, lower mid level money
(24yo) E.Hollands - retained, SSP/MSD replacement if it doesn’t work out
(29yo) Cincotta - promoted to primary list, two years, base money
(24yo) F.Young - retained rookie list
(20yo) H.Charleson - retained rookie list

(32yo next season) Docherty - retired, or delisted
(31yo) McGovern - trade with future R2 to WCE for (22yo) Harry Barnett
(30yo) Fantasia - retired, or delisted
(27yo) De Koning - FA to St Kilda, R1 compensation
(22yo) Lemmey - straight swap with Port for (21yo) Lachie Charleson
White - delisted
Monahan - delisted
Duffy - delisted
Evans - delisted


Additions:
Primary - Cincotta, R1 pick, Harry Dean, Lachie Charleson, Harry Barnett, (25yo) Malcolm Rosas
Cat A - Nil
Cat B - Tyson Gresham, Jack Ison

Deletions:
Primary - De Koning, Docherty, McGovern, Fantasia, Lemmey
Cat A - Cincotta, Evans, White
Cat B - Monahan, Duffy

Primary - 37
Cat A - 5 (F.Young, H.Charleson, O’Keeffe, Carroll, Lord)
Cat B - 2 (Gresham, Ison)

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), Harry Dean
[3] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Silvagni (fwd), O’Farrell
[3] Medium Defenders: Cowan, Carroll, Newman
[4] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid), H.Charleson
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands (def), Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, O’Keeffe (fwd), Harry Barnett (def)
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, B.Camporeale
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Smith, Sam Grlj
[4] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Cottrell (wing), F.Young, L.Charleson
[3] Medium Forwards: Williams (def), Moir, Jack Ison
[5] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Durdin, Motlop, Malcolm Rosas, Tyson Gresham
[3] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Kemp (def)


22 & Under

B: H.Charleson Dean Cowan
HB: Carroll O’Farrell Wilson
C: O.Hollands Lord L.Camporeale
R: Barnett Smith B.Camporeale
HF: Grlj Ison L.Charleson
F: Moir O’Keeffe Gresham
I: Motlop Binns


Not much to argue with your work here, but I’m not sure we should keep both Durdin and Motlop. I’d let Motlop go too if it was up to me.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:22 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Because I found myself with an extra hour while waiting for a no-show plumber…

Here’s a summary of the off-season to come - complete with hair-trigger contract calls & cherry-picked trades and draft picks.

(21yo next season) Wilson - two years with games trigger for three, base money
(25yo) Kemp - one year with games trigger for three, lower mid level money
(28yo) Silvagni - four years with games trigger for five, top 10 money
(34yo) Haynes - one year, mid level money
(22yo) Motlop - two years, lower mid level money
(24yo) E.Hollands - retained, SSP/MSD replacement if it doesn’t work out
(29yo) Cincotta - promoted to primary list, two years, base money
(24yo) F.Young - retained rookie list
(20yo) H.Charleson - retained rookie list

(32yo next season) Docherty - retired, or delisted
(31yo) McGovern - trade with future R2 to WCE for (22yo) Harry Barnett
(30yo) Fantasia - retired, or delisted
(27yo) De Koning - FA to St Kilda, R1 compensation
(22yo) Lemmey - straight swap with Port for (21yo) Lachie Charleson
White - delisted
Monahan - delisted
Duffy - delisted
Evans - delisted


Additions:
Primary - Cincotta, R1 pick, Harry Dean, Lachie Charleson, Harry Barnett, (25yo) Malcolm Rosas
Cat A - Nil
Cat B - Tyson Gresham, Jack Ison

Deletions:
Primary - De Koning, Docherty, McGovern, Fantasia, Lemmey
Cat A - Cincotta, Evans, White
Cat B - Monahan, Duffy

Primary - 37
Cat A - 5 (F.Young, H.Charleson, O’Keeffe, Carroll, Lord)
Cat B - 2 (Gresham, Ison)

[3] Key Defenders: Weitering, Young (ruck), Harry Dean
[3] Tall Defenders: Haynes, Silvagni (fwd), O’Farrell
[3] Medium Defenders: Cowan, Carroll, Newman
[4] Small Defenders: Saad, Boyd, Wilson (mid), H.Charleson
[4] Wing: Acres, O.Hollands (def), Binns, L.Camporeale (def)
[3] Ruck: Pittonet, O’Keeffe (fwd), Harry Barnett (def)
[3] Defensive Mid: Hewett, Lord, Cincotta
[2] Inside Mid: Cripps, B.Camporeale
[4] General Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Smith, Sam Grlj
[4] Mid Forwards: E.Hollands, Cottrell (wing), F.Young, L.Charleson
[3] Medium Forwards: Williams (def), Moir, Jack Ison
[5] Small Forwards: Fogarty (mid), Durdin, Motlop, Malcolm Rosas, Tyson Gresham
[3] Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay, Kemp (def)


22 & Under

B: H.Charleson Dean Cowan
HB: Carroll O’Farrell Wilson
C: O.Hollands Lord L.Camporeale
R: Barnett Smith B.Camporeale
HF: Grlj Ison L.Charleson
F: Moir O’Keeffe Gresham
I: Motlop Binns


Not much to argue with your work here, but I’m not sure we should keep both Durdin and Motlop. I’d let Motlop go too if it was up to me.

If I thought it was possible to replace either of Motlop and Binns with a player, I would. No question.

If I’m Vossy, I think I can turn Binns into a pressure forward & with so many poor kicks in the squad, I’m hanging on to Motlop.

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