keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
windy wrote:
Thanks for that Keogh.
I was looking at the Haynes thread yesterday and keogh still hasn't said anything except he's crap
Yeah he has been good after a slow start
But the thing is why did we get him
Because are window is open
Face it it’s shut
What we needed defensively is another key back and another running half back creative with ball in hand
Where I really got it wrong was underrating JOS
Been terrific
Captain obvious would say we need a running half back but know we go for a 32 interceptor who is an average kick. I know we didn’t get Houston but still
Haynes is not creative with ball in hand
Reckon Saad is a shadow of the player he was too
Haynes Doesn’t take the game on
And often plays loose in defence on smaller forwards
Does it a bit easy
You don't know anything about Haines and yet you still have a go at him every week....because of his age. WTF
You must laugh at Geelong and Collingwood.
Haines is a great kick. He's craetive and penetrating. He's a quick decision maker. That's why he's a cut above most.
He sees the game clearer than most. He watches it unfold. Its a knack, a skill and something most players wish they have. You should appreciate what he does have that others don't.
You've read the reasons why we convinced Haines to play for us but choose to forget the explananations to continue your shameless attack on his existence at Carlton.
Give the guy a break.
Youre the only one I know in Australia giving him a bake.
He doesnt intercept marks because he's playing against a smaller player. You're thinking of those 2 marks he took out marking Close v Cats one on one. He takes 10 a game.
His opponents dont kickl goals against him. round 1 when he had his shocking moments (2), his opponent only kicked 1 goal. His opponents haven't been able to get off his leash, but Haines gets away from them wiith ease to helphis team mates because he sees the game unfold. Its an art. He turns his artform into an elite interception.
Blind Freddy can see how important he is to us.
Fair suck of the Sav.
Our window is still open. Not closed because you said so.
Its a long season. Enjoy the wins.
See Swans 2004. We play the same ugly style of pressure and contest. It works. We only just got started.
The game continues to evolve
One area that has become really important is HBF that are creative with their kicking
We have 2 down back who can do that
Mc Govern who is hot and cold with his disposal
Saad who has dropped off. Opposition teams make sure he is sat on more
I would like to see Boyd given a go because he could be that player
Haynes Is courageous
He reads it well and is a good interceptor
But the knock on him is his age for a start
You don’t recruit a guy his age unless you think you have a specific need to get there quickly
That need is a guy who can create by foot through the back half
Haynes doesn’t do that
For a guy who plays where he plays he should be gaining more than 223 m and have one inside 50 per game as was the case last night
That’s the knock on him and the club recruiting him to play
What is obvious is the difference between the top teams and teams like us and StKilda is forward ball movement
Look at Thursday nights game
Collingwood have 28 less inside 50s and win with no key forwards
Haynes has improved
But he doesn’t add to what we need
Winning Premierships depends on game plan, personnell and injury...an a bit of luck.
There's no one game plan that stands out from the rest, and not all game plans are the same.
To suggest the "modern" game is whatever you think, and its innovative is naive.
Teams struggle to score against us and we play a style that takes away strengths of other teams.
Our kicking for goal has been what has let us down playing "our way". Injury hasn't helped either.
To suggest 223m gained is not good enough for the role Haynes plays, tells me you have inside knowledge on the role Haynes plays or you're making up an argument.
That is so naive. We play team defense. Sometimes our designated kicker is Newman, other weeks it was Gov, other weeks it was Saady...it is dependent on match ups and strategy, and we don't let the opposition know who its going to be in the game or in different quarters. Players are versatile to play more than one role during a game. Haynes is mobile enoughg to play tall or small. That is our weapon with SOS and Haynes coming into the team.
We have Gov and Haynes playing intercept roles at times.
Can you tell me how many metres gained both should be giving us. You know you don't have the answer, because measuring players by their av metres gained assumes they play the same role week in week out. They don't.
So good to see posts above give you more reasons why we traded in Haynes. Allowing O'Farrell to develop in the VFL is very important reason indeed and I'm grateful for it.
Its good to see Haynes in AA form again, to remind the naysayers what he is all about.
Give the bloke a break from your unreasonable potshots
Our window is open till it is closed. I'm glad our team doesnt give up as easily as some supporters. 14 more games to go.
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