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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:08 pm 
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Rod Ashman

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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Are we close to being a Top 4 team?
If so, are we a chance to win a Flag in 2025, or 2026?

Top 4 this year were Swans, Port, Geelong, GWS and the Premiers were 5th.
We actually beat all of them except Sydney at the SCG, so we can't be too far off.

What do we need to do to close the gap?
I am of the opinion we started this rebuild in 2016, and its time now to close the gap and give this opportunity to win the flag a real crack.

No doubt injuries disrupted our season in a big way.
We have let go our injury prone players to make way for more dependable depth or fill areas of need: KPD, Mid and quick small forward.
Pick 11 may fill a small forward role.
Haynes is cover for Marchbank. May be good for 2 years, and form permitting, a better intercept than Gov and Kemp.
I look at Haynes as an improvement on Marchbank, so he takes one spot. Therefore we need to improve 2 other positions.

We will have the pick 11 and possibly 12 and the Campo twins coming, so we need to make 3 more spots for them, assuming small forward is Berry.

I think Kennedy was brilliant as Mr Fix it, but is he the answer for:
Fwd-Ruck? IMO no. SOS, or better takes that role in 2025.
HF? IMO, no, we need to develop Moir for that role and feel the Hollands boys will take that role if Walsh is moved to the wing.
Mid? IMO he's brilliant back up for Cripps and Hewett and doesn't displace Walsh or Cerra and Lord is developing.
Kennedy is depth or the perfect sub, but I don't think Kennedy wants to be that.

We have 2 more drafts before the compromised drafts. No reason why we can't recruit to improve and draft to develop, but we need to push players out to make spots available.

Papley has a contract with Swans till 2028. Swans know what they are doing. If we can get him till then for $700K, he can play small forward and speedy mid and that will take us to the end of Cripps' career.

So I understand the lure of Papley, and Haynes and Membrey are cheap and wont hinder our high end draft picks, but where's the KPD we need?

I'm loving the idea of pick 11 and 12 and campo twins from the draft because we can find our future KPD in there (fingers crossed) and add to the kids we have on the list, but if we give up one high pick for a star player to fill a need I think we have the best of both worlds.

Next year, we will have plenty of players contracts ending (14) creating salary space and spots to fill, but no First rounder. I think Austin may have a FA target or two lined up for next year.



we really want houston for pick 12 and owies, is the mail. straight from the big dog, voss himself.


I believe that's what Voss wants, and we may be able to do that, but does Austin want that?

I'm OK with Houston coming on board, but if Papley was available for pick 12, I'd go with Papley.
That doesn't make me right or wrong. Both will add value and fill needs: Papley for that small forward/ speedy mid and Houston is the start of the hand over from Saad, Williams or Newman, who are all in their 30's.


I’d go Papley too. Guaranteed goals, and the new kid can learn his trade down back without the pressure of needing to contribute immediately.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:11 pm 
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There’s murmurs that Geelong might get Oliver to go with Smith. That’s 2 A grade mids into a side that made a PF.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:41 pm 
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We should offer Kennedy to Geelong for SDK before they commit to Oliver


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:23 pm 
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go to the draft membrey,papley,houston,haynes all these names could set us back at a already ageing list


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:34 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I'd like to see us active in the trade period to either

- Trade out surplus players to move up the draft order
- Trade out surplus players to fill areas where we need to

Whatever of the two that the club thinks is most important, I trust them now, despite the overall bumpy ride it's been for years. I trust Cook to oversee the right strategy is followed. Maybe that's blind faith on my part but he does have the runs on the board.

What I don't want is

- Junk players out for junk players in
- Draft picks out for junk players in

Of the players mentioned so far, Papley & SDK are my choices, although realistically I don't think either are likely to happen. Still not sold on Houston because I think the price is too high.

Kennedy I'd be happy for us to test the market. I agree he's a good player but you'll only get value back by trading out value, not subpar players. And he absolutely falls into the category of surplus, given the thing our midfield needs is more agility & toe.

If SDK does get traction, reckon we should see if they'd bite at pittonet as part of the deal. They want a ruck, & he is surplus to us once silvagni comes back. Plus I've liked what I've seen of Okeefe.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 4:33 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We should be looking to build a list that contends the next 5+ years. Not the next 12 months.

This is where I'm a bit undecided.
How many more 'good' years can we expect from Weiters, Curnow and McKay and should we be looking to capitalise during this period or maybe we should take a longer term approach?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:04 pm 
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Nah you can stay :lol:
I can't guarantee anything will improve.


it cant get any better bh, thats probably the greatest gag ever committed to this site

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:08 pm 
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Am I right is saying we have 3 senior spots available at the moment?
Assuming we are losing Owies this will make it 4.
We will most likely take 3 kids in the draft so it leaves one vacant spot on the list.
If we are intending to bring is players from other clubs we will have to move on at least another player or two.


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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:21 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We should be looking to build a list that contends the next 5+ years. Not the next 12 months.

This is where I'm a bit undecided.
How many more 'good' years can we expect from Weiters, Curnow and McKay and should we be looking to capitalise during this period or maybe we should take a longer term approach?


Is Chad Warner gettable?
I hear he may be keen to get back to WA.
But if he’s happy to leave Sydney, I’d throw the kitchen sink at him (but in a Geelong kind of way - sell the club, the big city lights and crowds, and impending success…).


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:52 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Am I right is saying we have 3 senior spots available at the moment?
Assuming we are losing Owies this will make it 4.
We will most likely take 3 kids in the draft so it leaves one vacant spot on the list.
If we are intending to bring is players from other clubs we will have to move on at least another player or two.



Yep and bringing in Haines.

Hence trying to get rid of Kennedy, Carrol and Young too.

Maybe Sam Durdin if we are bringing in another tall.

I would love to pay Fantasia out and get that list spot too.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:49 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Am I right is saying we have 3 senior spots available at the moment?
Assuming we are losing Owies this will make it 4.
We will most likely take 3 kids in the draft so it leaves one vacant spot on the list.
If we are intending to bring is players from other clubs we will have to move on at least another player or two.


Boyd promotion from Rookie to main list takes the other vacant spot.

Lord was the LTI replacement for SOS, ie an extra on the list of 44, so a rookie spot has opened for him by delisting Mirkov and carroll.

Haines needs a spot made for him to take Marchbank's post, and any other additions require a spot.

If Sam Durdin is delisted, Haines can be rookied, unless that spot is reserved if Lucas Camporeale slides that far.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:05 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
kezza wrote:
Am I right is saying we have 3 senior spots available at the moment?
Assuming we are losing Owies this will make it 4.
We will most likely take 3 kids in the draft so it leaves one vacant spot on the list.
If we are intending to bring is players from other clubs we will have to move on at least another player or two.


Boyd promotion from Rookie to main list takes the other vacant spot.

Lord was the LTI replacement for SOS, ie an extra on the list of 44, so a rookie spot has opened for him by delisting Mirkov and carroll.

Haines needs a spot made for him to take Marchbank's post, and any other additions require a spot.

If Sam Durdin is delisted, Haines can be rookied, unless that spot is reserved if Lucas Camporeale slides that far.

The rookie list as it stands, with Boyd being promoted & Duffy added, is:

S.Durdin
Cincotta
O’Keeffe
M.Carroll
Lord
Monahan (Cat B - Int.)
Duffy (Cat B - Int.)

Seven on the rookie list means we can have 37 on the primary list. If we add another rookie, we can only have 36 - which is the minimum.

The only way Haynes get to our rookie list is if he nominates for the draft & goes all the way through. The reports are all suggesting that we will be adding him as a DFA, so he’s on the primary list.

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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:39 pm 
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The rookie list needs to be totally scrapped. Min and Max list size and that is all.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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bender wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Nah you can stay :lol:
I can't guarantee anything will improve.


it cant get any better bh, thats probably the greatest gag ever committed to this site
An indictment on the rest of you. Lift!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:57 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
The rookie list needs to be totally scrapped. Min and Max list size and that is all.

It should work a bit better with the games limit.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:19 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
The rookie list needs to be totally scrapped. Min and Max list size and that is all.
At a minimum change the name :)
You have blokes placed on the list who've been AFL players for years.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Crusader wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
The rookie list needs to be totally scrapped. Min and Max list size and that is all.

It should work a bit better with the games limit.




What happens here Sader…?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:21 pm 
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tommi wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
The rookie list needs to be totally scrapped. Min and Max list size and that is all.

It should work a bit better with the games limit.




What happens here Sader…?


kindest regards tommi

It’s only half a fix. Players can still be on the rookie list for up to three years, but they won’t be able to extend that for a 4th or 5th (which is also new for 2025 & beyond). I think the powers that be will eventually put a games limit on the 3rd year.

The door is already shut on the Kennedy/Betts type of deals, where clubs can move players from primary to rookie. That was only ever going to be a covid thing.

I think the confusion (besides the after effects of the covid years) is that SSP & MSD contracts are the same as rookie list contracts. They’re structured that way not-so-much for the money, but for the termination clauses.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Cheers…

I’d forgotten abut the Covid changes…
that’s right…thanks man…!


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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:50 pm 
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Melbourne and Doggies are not just going to hand Geelong Smith and Oliver for nothing in return.
We should offer pick 11 for SDK

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