Agree with the sentiment and it perfectly challenges the fear spreading from some posters that we have only 2-3 years left in our premiership window. Bollocks.

have you seen the hawks key defender list?

they just got barass and battle to go with weddle, Frost, missiliy. and got some good young kids who might be worth a shout and on the cheap?


will mccabe, grainger-barass, jai serong, ethan phillips and even james blanck

An interesting observation about our list, if we ever wanted a hint our injuries could derail us at some point then this article at the start of the season should've been warning 1.
(scroll to end for ladders)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1066782/list-analysis-where-does-your-club-rank-for-age-and-experience

Geelong are the second oldest team this year (my mistake) but they have the most experience and that is the key.

We are the equal 6th oldest team with the 12th most experience, that says a lot about our players having been injured for a chunk of their careers.

Houston is averaging 21 games a year with another 3-5 years left in him and is at his peak.

He's definitely worth having a crack at.

Either way this profile should change given some of the injured personnel that has gone already.

The point is the GWS draft well because of the ongoing first rounders they receive by trading players they have in excess.

Young players are given time to develop in the VFL/NEAFL and when they look like they need to take the next step, they are developed in the AFL with class around them: eg Taylor and Buckley in the air, and quicks to sweep up ground ball like Whitfield, Perryman and Himmelberg.

Its not that Haynes isn't capable of playing well, its the developed player is ripe and GWS have to give games to the younger developed guys or they will look elsewhere. As a result they have to let go the types like Haynes.

Haynes is depth for us, but my gut feel is he will play more games than Gov as the 3rd tall. Regardless, I would rather have Haynes step up to 3rd tall defender if Gov is injured instead of Kemp. In addition, he has been helping the development of the kids for years at GWS, and this is something he can bring to the Blues and Kemp.

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Those 'spare' players are handy. Goes to show there's gems in the Draft but also in the VFL WAFL SAFL.

Next year Newman is 32yo, Saad is 31yo, and Go turns 31yo.
I'm sure Austin knows he needs to find some gems to pass the baton to.

Amazing what the Hawks have compiled. Can't believe players like Philips, Serong and McCabe will be waiting for their turn for a few years.

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there is our problem 32,31and gov turns 31 so of instead of finding young defender (guys can teach )we bring in another 33 yr old .DONT LIKE IT

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It's a pointless list imo

I'd like to see a best 25 list profile from every club... these are the players that will play most games if they can stay on the park

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What if Austin picks up Haynes (cheap) and adds a developing KPD from the draft? He can if he has 2 picks before Ben Camporeale, which looks like his best strategy.

If you don't think our window is open, I can understand your feelings why we even bother Trading in players for a tilt for the flag.

Our biggest issue last year was depth to cover injured. Our depth players were injured and we had to play kids.

Is Gov in your best 22? Can you rely on his body holding up every game as the 3rd tall?

I think our window is well and truly open, and will continue to be open as long as we are winning games and be a destination club and keep improving our list. We need experience as depth, to keep fighting the fight for the flag imo, and nothing is stopping Austin from drafting a developing KPD, who will be ready in 3-4 years in our post Cripps window.

If we are going to be a top 4 side, we need depth in all positions, not kids, and, we need to fill our immediate needs, like other Premiership teams do:


1. Mid with speed and goal kicker with Pick 11 Berry is around our pick
2. KPD with Young as back up has to be ready made (Trade or Draft from VFL...)
3. KPD developing to take over the KPD role or intercept role from Haynes and Gov Pick 31 the growing Traynor/ Cole would be nice but STK NGA
4. Fwd-Ruck incase SOS doesn't and TDK remains our No 1 ruck (Trade one in or Draft from VFL....

So we can kill 2 birds from the draft and trade in Haynes for cover, now that Marchbank is gone forever, and Young is trade bait.

5. Ruck. With Mirkov delisted, and O'Keefe only turns 20yo next year, we need cover incase Pitto and TDK are injured.
6. Mid from the Draft to develop. Ben Camporeale.
7. HB to develop and take over from Newman and Saad. Lucas as a rookie can cover one. Wilson may start at HB. Houston may be the ready made costing next year's F1.
8. Promote Boyd

To make up 7 spots in Primary Draft we have let go 3 (Marchy, Martin, Cunners) and need to create 4 more spots trades where picks will be more than handy: (Owies, Young, Kennedy Carroll or maybe terminate Fantasia early).

Note, Haynes, Lucas Camporeale and Lord can take rookie spots which have been made vacant by promoting Boyd, delisting Mirkov, Durdin and Carroll

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What I'm hearing is our cap will be manageable post 2024 and gives us options for some great Trades this year and next year.

Marchbank Cuningham Martin $1.23M saved

Kennedy Owies Young $ 1.2M saved

Mikov, Durdin, Carroll rookie salaries

Next year:

Gov, Saad, Docherty Newman could save us another $2.3M

I think we will have plenty even if we keep Saad beyond 2025, to cover TDK and Weitering's additional $400K to their current cost.

Things are not as bad as they seem. We can attract one or two more good role players around $600K next year and the year after, and keep topping up 3 kids a year.

After next year the compromised Drafts start again, hopefully the 5 kids we draft this year add to the current bunch of kids we have to serve us well moving into our post Cripps window.

Haynes doesnt break the bank, nor take up the spot of a bonafide star in the making. He's insurance.

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If Williams contract finishes in 2026, he relieves us 8-900K to use in the compromised draft to replace him with a better player.

The wheels keep turning. We are not the old Carlton.

We are clearing the decks of failed big name contracts Martin Williams McGovern and keogh will be glad to see the back of them, and we clear our list of injury prone players Marchbank, Cuningham, Carroll and Mirkov.

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digby morrell and daniel harford may still be available

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my last one was rubbish

i would never, ever, ever return to melbourne if that happened

or if i were back, i'd leave the country again......

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How many of those 118 Games did he play as an inside Mid the entire Game? Very Few!


The only Game this year where Vossy put him in the middle for most of the Game was against Geelong and he killed them. He is a Raging Bull and can play many positions. Here is some of his highlights from that Game!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ul5oN-A124

How can I forget the 2004 Super Team of 20 Recycled Geniuses that almost won us a Flag? This was the start of Deception & denial by the Carlton powerhouses. They just couldn't accept the concept of a Rebuild.

Barnaby French
Ricky Mott
Corey Mcgrath
Adrian De Luca
Trent Sporn
Adam Bentick
Ian Prendegast
Health Scotland ( The only Player that Turned out alright for us )
Cameron Croad
Justin Davies
David Teague ( Failed more as a Coach)
Jordan Bannister
Glen Bowyer
David Clark

The list Goes on & on for the following years to come!

He is a raging bull, and a fan fave, but why hasn't he raged over 30 possessions more than 5 times?

How many of the 99 games has he played midfield? "Very few" isn't a number.

Kennedy came to Carlton as a 3rd year player, under Bolton in 2018, then played under Teague, and last 3 years with Voss.
He's been around a long time, and played mid most of the time before Voss. I'll take a conservative guess; he's played 50 of his 99 games as a mid in 7 years at Carlton?

This year he was thrown around a bit, but still played inside mid, and when Vossy dropped Hewett to give Kennedy the full time inside mid role, Kennedy had 22 possessions.

He's a raging bull, not an accumulator. Maybe we've got enough inside mids?

Dow was drafted in 2018 and was traded in 2022. He had the same problem as Kennedy as a mid but not as bad. We always looked forward to Dow hitting 20 possessions.

I'd love to keep Kennedy, but we have to keep improving the list. Firstly ridding our list of injury prone players, followed by replacing slower players with faster ones.

Lets see if Kennedy is traded and for what before we pile on List Manager.

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MARTIN MARCHBANK PLOWMAN ...

2004 was a horrid false dawn.
We were desperate to give Pagan players who could stand up and compete
Following the 2002 penalty we were NOT a destination club

We've done much better since 2004 with recruits. SOS liked recruiting players banged up a bit confident he had the best panel beaters in the business to fix them. That was SOS ' false dawn.

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kennedy is great depth, but nothing more. he want's to be an inside mid, but he's not as good as cripps, hewett or cerra in that role, and i dare say i'd rather lord over him too.

he is the 4th worst in the afl, when he's in teh midfield at forward entry and disposal efficiency.


if we are going to be the slow team which we are, our efficiency has to be top 3 in the league. bcos as soon as we turn it over, it's pinging back the other way, and we're not catching them.


he is the exact prototype of player we need to upgrade, along with owies, durdin/motlop, young, marchbank, martin etc if we want to be in the convo for a flag.

Trotter is on this week’s episode of Gettable.

Basically said that honest conversations were had & that’s the end of it.

Not looking to go anywhere. Grumble guts on the bench at the Gabba was culmination of an absolute cauliflower of a week. Water under the bridge.

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Agree

If we could get decent value for Kennedy I hope we do it.

Even the absolute top sides talk about how you have to be constantly evolving & not staying put.

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