I’d be shocked if Docherty wasn’t in our best 18.

How could he not be?

Leadership
Multi positional
Great decision maker

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I expect him to play, but........ The question is where? If you look at the 6 positions; BP, HBF and Wings, whose spot does he take? I think it is Interchange or bust.

I love Doc. Ever since his days in the TAC. I just think we now have the Leadership and youth coming through to cover him.

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Close to 2600 ruck contest were attended by Carlton last season
That's roughly 100 per game.
1 contest every 80 seconds

And still we expect the rucks to ruck all day

Pitto 1063
TDK 846
JSOS 202
Harry 88
Charlie 17
Young 189
Cripps 21

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Spot on SB.

It’s so easy for some to forget we’ve built the game style around our best player & captain. We force stoppages to bring the game to him.

The rule change allowing for straight arm blocks in the ruck contest will make it easier for the deep forwards to compete, but the wrestlers in the league - Pittonet, Darcy, Briggs, Nankervis, etc - will be more effective than ever. Same goes for the extra long.

There might be hope for Mirkov yet.

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I'd be surprised if he wasn't starting wing instead of Ollie.
I haven't been to preseason training but from the pictures Ollie still looks pretty light, he might need another year.

Or perhaps some of us realise we've moved on from relying on one player, fortunately.

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Well Voss and McCrae beg to differ

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McRae may differ on how you spell his name.
Apart from that, I'm not sure why he's relevant to how we set up our game style. ?

And for the record, in 2023 8 teams had more ruck contests per game than the AFL average.
7 of them missed the finals.
The 3 teams that had the best ruck hitout winning % in the AFL finished in the bottom 6.

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Did you not watch Cox and Cameron work over the Big O in the grand final.
Did you not see how ineffective Hipwood was when Daniher went on ball.
Did you not watch TDK and Pitto work over Gawn and Hickey in the 2 finals we played.

Carlton will play 2 rucks when ever the opportunity presents itself and so will Collingwood

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There you go BV........you've been told.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

And never mind that Gawn was allegedly struggling with injury and that Hipwood is basically a front runner who is physically as soft as butter.

Hey, in a perfect world I am happy to run with 2 rucks if they both contribute to the team. Will Pitto's 40% game time in 2024 be more productive than a midfield/runner on the bench? Time will tell, I guess. In the end, I think Vossy will see it as a week to week, Opponent based decision.

Regards Cazzesman

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You don't remove a tall forward to go into the ruck and attend centre bounces or around the ground. It is ok if they take the occasional forward line boundary throw in but that is it.
Teams that go with one marking target up forward whilst the other is rucking always fail.
Look at the previous winners
Pies went with two rucks Lions used Daniher
Geelong played one but so did the Swans and they didn't send Hawkins or Cameron to attend centre bounces they used Biclavs
Dee's two rucks
Richmond never sent Lynch or Jack to pinch hit in the ruck they used Grigg

With the absence of JSOS this year we will have to play TDK and Pitto. If we use Harry as back up ruck this will just make Charlie job that much harder.

Are those good enough facts for you or would you like me to draw you a picture.



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I'm still trying to figure out what your original reply had to do with my post.
I was talking about us not relying on Cripps totally anymore. And you come back a rant about the rucks.

As for the above post, both teams omitted their second ruck at various stages in 2023 and experimented with a forward hybrid. So conflicting statements attempting to project the future as an absolute are nothing more than guesswork at best. No one can accurately state at this point in time what any team will do with their rucks. There's too many variables. Form, opposition structure, team balance, changes in game style etc.

Reports are that Harry will be trialled more in the ruck in 2024. As he should be IMHO. Let's wait and see.

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Ya know….

Harry doesn’t even need to jump…just stand under
the ball and reach up…simple…!


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agree with all that except the highlight quote. a bit of a contradiction there WRT Marchbank.

i honestly can’t seperate those three defenders, Kemp has youth and even the potential to move to new positions away from back six, Gov was exceptional last season, has elite physical attributes when fit and Marchbank certainly showed everyone why some of us maintained the faith in him for all these years.

i expect Voss and MC to select players more based on opposition and managing expectations in the list this year than they did last two year, which was obviously just about fielding a team with enough KPP players at times in the last two seasons.

but Voss was reluctant to make changes last season even when he had options. maybe that’s a maturity and confidence thing based on the playing group as much as Voss himself. seems like he’s got options a plenty, touch wood, this season if he needs them.


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at his best he is. but he’s young and he said himself getting dropped for a run in the two was the best thing for him and for his education as a forward. i don’t think that was just his media training coming to the fore either. i think it was obviously true.

he’s still very young for a forward. it will depend on many things. fantasia gets an opportunity and is sublime (the kind of arsey opportunistic player we don’t really have at blues nor much tradition of but Essendon** always have a few of) then makes it hard for other carnies. owies is more reliable and critical to our forward structures and dynamic IMHO. but they are all replaceable if their individual form fades or they create opportunities for opposition running halfbacks too often.


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diesel had the remarkable ability to contest mark with a opponent 30 cm taller than him and consistently won the mark and kick a goal or pass it to Sticks. How many goal assists did Diesel get in that final?

we didn’t even need that move imho to win that GF. but it was a genius move bc it would have had the Cats coaching bench arguing about what change they needed to make to deal with it all game long. just the Cats supporters at the game (admittedly most had left after 3/4 time (haha)) riding every Diesel forward 50 possession would have been huge pressure on the coaches. simply because he was playing completely out of position and they hadn’t prepared for it i bet.


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i can’t disagree with this.


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Doc won us a few games last season off his own boot i reckon when playing wing/mid role. no room for him as a pure defender with a fit list. it’s all gonna come down to form and fitness isn’t it? so much depth it’s embarrassing.

will Vossy and MC reward all players in a winning team or cycle through to allow younger players to develop. that’s the $64m question in my mind. was reluctant to so far. needed a telegram from the queen to to motlop and Hollande last season when it was obvious AF.


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*to drop Motlop and Ollie Hollands (both of whom i rate highly for their potential to become lock-in selections in a few years)


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