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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:18 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Trade Cripps and Weitering ... then we are bound to get some real gems ... lol


It's getting old now, it doesn't even work as sarcasm.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:37 pm 
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My list:
Retired - Walker, Jamieson
Delist - Viojo-Rainbow, Whiley, Smith, Foster, Dick
Possible delist - Tutt, Gorringe
Next year on notice - Boekhurst, Lamb, Jones, Jaksch, Sumner, Armfield, Graham, Everitt, Thomas, Casboult

How do we get another pick in top 10 this year though? We shouldn't trade away our better players.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Gorringe is contracted until next year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:30 pm 
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malbi wrote:
How about we trade Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhurst to GWS for pick 7?


Or maybe a straight swap to Gold Coast for Peter Wright.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:34 pm 
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Discussing list management around here, at times, is a bit like begging the question. :sad:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Humpers wrote:
malbi wrote:
How about we trade Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhurst to GWS for pick 7?


Or maybe a straight swap to Gold Coast for Peter Wright.

True. Peter Wright or Jake Lever.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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mikeychook wrote:
Gibbs is worth more than one pick.

Given he's more than one Gibb

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:32 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Dk wrote:
We are not going to be challenging for a flag or even playing finals to must likely 2020. Bulldogs, Melbourne, GWS Adelaide, St Kilda are all ahead of us in there rebuild and we wont be catching them for a few years. 2020 Gibbs will be over 30 and yes he may still be playing good footy, he may do a Matt Boyd at the bulldogs and play half back and pro long his career and extra couple of season, and yes if we keep him we may win a couple more games each season till 2020 and be more competitive.
BUT! if we can get a top say 15 pick for him ideally top 10 and try get another gun player who come 2020 will be 22 and about to hit his prime in the midfield then i would take that every day of the week.
We have a significant lack of young midfield talent and maybe trading a player like gibbs away can fast track our re build as we could get another gun mid in. This is what St.Kilda did post those grand final loses and they only spent a couple of seasons on the bottom before they started to improve and because they were playing kids the fans didnt mind seeing them lose because you could see the little sprouts of growth as botls would say.


100% agree.
People need to think about what is best for the club going forward. We still need to be reasonably competitive though in the meantime. If we are to receive a great offer for Gibbs, the club may offload him.



True, but whilst we blood new players we also need some experience to surround them.

Look at St Kilda. They could have traded Nick Riewoldt years ago using the same excuse "We aren't challenging for a flag anytime soon". But he has played a big big part in the revamp of that club and the younger players coming through.


I'd be keeping Gibbs and Murphy.



Riewoldt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gibbs

Gibbs has had an extended RDO since the Geelong game

I want him to stay but it's incredibly easy to see why a trade to our advantage is seen as a option

Still is 'perceived' as someone who picks and chooses

By whom?


By me and all the others who agree with me

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Jay Schulz as a DFA for a year or 2 to help cover Harry & co.....?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:29 pm 
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hope gibbsy doesnt go missing against ess ,this what usually happens after he plays well.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:42 pm 
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no Jay


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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frank dardew wrote:
no Jay

His back is said to be ok... and his goal kicking is accurate.

Why not ?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:48 pm 
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Easily take Jay ahead of cas and jones


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:04 pm 
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to old one dimensional, doesn't work hard defensivly and wont take heat off younger players - rather jones quite frankly and that is a BIG STATEMENT


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:08 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Trade Cripps and Weitering ... then we are bound to get some real gems ... lol


It's getting old now, it doesn't even work as sarcasm.

Au contraire. It works really well as sarcasm.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:12 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
99prelim wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Dk said "We are not going to be challenging for a flag or even playing finals to must likely 2020. Bulldogs, Melbourne, GWS Adelaide, St Kilda are all ahead of us in there rebuild and we wont be catching them for a few years. 2020 Gibbs will be over 30 and yes he may still be playing good footy, he may do a Matt Boyd at the bulldogs and play half back and pro long his career and extra couple of season, and yes if we keep him we may win a couple more games each season till 2020 and be more competitive.
BUT! if we can get a top say 15 pick for him ideally top 10 and try get another gun player who come 2020 will be 22 and about to hit his prime in the midfield then i would take that every day of the week.
We have a significant lack of young midfield talent and maybe trading a player like gibbs away can fast track our re build as we could get another gun mid in. This is what St.Kilda did post those grand final loses and they only spent a couple of seasons on the bottom before they started to improve and because they were playing kids the fans didnt mind seeing them lose because you could see the little sprouts of growth as botls would say."

100% agree.
People need to think about what is best for the club going forward. We still need to be reasonably competitive though in the meantime. If we are to receive a great offer for Gibbs, the club may offload him.



True, but whilst we blood new players we also need some experience to surround them.

Look at St Kilda. They could have traded Nick Riewoldt years ago using the same excuse "We aren't challenging for a flag anytime soon". But he has played a big big part in the revamp of that club and the younger players coming through.


I'd be keeping Gibbs and Murphy.



Riewoldt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gibbs

Gibbs has had an extended RDO since the Geelong game

I want him to stay but it's incredibly easy to see why a trade to our advantage is seen as a option

Still is 'perceived' as someone who picks and chooses

By whom?


By me and all the others who agree with me

OK, copy that. So, basically by all the experts ...... aside from anyone at all who matters (e.g. the coach, the assistants, and the MC). :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:35 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
to old one dimensional, doesn't work hard defensivly and wont take heat off younger players - rather jones quite frankly and that is a BIG STATEMENT

I'd keep Jones as well.

I guess it comes down to a preference of Schulz or Casboult... and seeing as Levi isn't required as the 2nd ruck and provides little to no defensive pressure, it's a question of who's better as a goal kicking forward....?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:46 pm 
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Rexy I see it a bit differently - it really is about protecting our young forwards as they develop ie McKay Curnow silvagni - that is the more mature player will take the hits and hand them out if necessary to protect those developing - Levi in my view although has limitations does that he crashes packs - takes contested marks - takes the heat - whereas schulz never really has - more a lead up forward who seems to be interested in his own performance rather than team

In terms of pure goal kicking no contest schulz wins by country mile BUT in my view its not about that necessarily at this stage of our development


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Frank Ive seen Schulz bust packs , take speccies and lead up.
He has more strings to his bow than Levi.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:24 pm 
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not in my view nowhere near as good contested mark - cant ruck - cant play anywhere other than FF - doesn't cover anywhere near as much ground as Levi even if this isn't one of his strengths -31 years old missed at least half of the season -no Kangaroos or Bust for the Jay man

Maybe 4 years ago when he is the age that Levi is now but at 31 - Id prefer Dawes to Schulz :eek: duck head


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