Surely we can't keep thinking thoughts like this. It's been over a decade. Any list weakness we have now, particularly with FA and full draft access, is ours & ours alone to deal with.

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Yep...I think it genuinely harmed us for 4-5 years...after that - it's bad management. Now it's just a poor excuse.

I know, right! It's laughable that people are still blaming the AFL and the draft penalties for our predicament. Why not blame the departure of Jack Worrall? That has just as much relevance.

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Drug cheats deserve to be bombed, no matter who they are

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Actually almost all the people who are bombed around the world don't deserve it, didn't start it, and didn't do anything wrong, It's usually the West trying to steal their assets and corporatize them or set up military bases in their country for geo-global strategic or imperial motives.

The EFC* is a rare exception though

Bombs away!

These dopes shouldn't be allowed to hide in Tullamarine

You're right they should all be wiped out with some sort of carpet bombing or strategic Aerial missile attack

Its the only way

Great idea

Keep up the great work in here!

Do you mind if I send your suggestion the Sir Reedie at WADA head office?

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Well, after we found out what he was doing, it didn't come down to his arrogance or politics any more. We turfed him out appropriately, unlike that deluded scumpond that's taken no responsibility and keeps playing the collective victim and continues to idolise the very cause of it all. We almost went broke, they might still do that and I won't feel an ounce of pity for them.

And I think people underestimate the power of delusion (and ongoing pharmaceutical benefits) when assessing the ability of an outfit to grind another one into the dirt, although I do seriously share your disgust at our capitulation to those bottom-feeders last year. What we need again is a new deluded sociopath of our own (without the hypocrisy) to anger the troops a la '99 - it won't be the prez, so can someone get the coach riled up this time around, as if the cheating isn't enough motivation?

Surely we can afford the fine for a banner that says, 'SMASH THE CHEATING SCUM'. It's only defamation if it isn't true. Can you defame a whole team?

And another thing...

No, that'll do for now...

SMASH THE CHEATING SCUM

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Without the efforts of the Unofficial selection committee at Carlton, Big Jack and/or most of that board would have survived that wooden spoon year.

They organized the petition to get the votes to call for an extraordinary AGM at Carlton.

They continually pushed Collo, to head up the number 1 ticket with MAckay and SOS on board, and the recruitment of Sticks and diesel from the Elliott board.

And remember, when that petition went through, the motivation for it was not getting caught for salary cap breaches, but not winning and securing the clubs first ever wooden spoon

When the AFl imposed draft sanctions and the 985,000 fine (which we still haven't paid yet), Collo was already in the lodge and it was He who had to deal with that and the 23 million dollar debt that Elliot had left.

Not many people knew that the debt was so high. (mainly the legends stand and other expenses at the ground). Its 5 million dollars now.

In fact a board member on the Collo board recommended that the Club should hand the keys to the AFL - ie go into receivership essentially and have the AFL bail it out.

And at our lowest ebb list wise, the AFL went BANG (when they knew other clubs were also cheating the salary cap)

But Evans senior really didn't care all that much about the blues, and how long they would take to recover.

What's that saying again...????

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Yes, we were right royally screwed by Evans, but Jack wanted to fight the AFL in the courts with money we didn't have, which would have been a futile last stand. I don't recall whether this info was crucial at the time of his booting or made available later - my recollection of events is hazy.

But what goes around?

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well there were some rumors that big Jack was gong to threaten the AFL with a legal challenge of both the draft and the salary cap in the courts

(it wouldn't have been an easy victory in the courts, because its a clear example of restraint of trade)

he didn't get a change - Jack went onto the Water Wheel debacle where he was banned as a director for trading whilst insolvent (very naughty indeed)

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Well I did go to Essendon* after being given the arse by Carlton...

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I dont think about the sanctions TBH, well not till I think about the impact another major misdemeanor would have on me.
When my kids raise the issue of the Essendon* cheats, I do remind them that we got caught cheating in 2002 and paid for it big time. I'd like to see Essendon* cop it big time too.

I do believe that it can be proved we still feel the impact of those sanctions, albeit in a small percentage of our current pain, given how financially weak we were back then, but I do agree that we should have recovered by now, so yes your are correct to summise that in house decisions in the last 5 years are the main reason why we are not top 4....imo.

I'm sure no one is surprised that supporters still harbour some resentment for those sanctions: it's human to do so, as it cut deep when it happened...and I still se Wells and Goddard running around...I'll let go, just as I did let go my dislke of Saints whilst Hamill played for them. Just takes time.

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