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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:58 am 
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Disagree with just about everything you have said ... but it just doesn't matter ... we have gone round and round on the Ratten thing ... every point you make I can make an equal one ... and in my opinion better ... :smile: :razz:

We are now talking Tricky Micky ... and more importantly my post was about the weak performance of the MC. The old boldness and risk taking ability of Carlton has been lost ... and nothing highlights this more than our MC.

No guts ... no glory. I will be very happy for a win against the Dockers ... but we could also get a lot more out of this game for the future ... win or lose. The MC is scared of making a mistake ... pathetic.


Nah...you just wanna give a whack for the sake of giving a whack - but in this case your argument is against selection? It beggars belief because it's something none of us are privy to. You don't know who had a great week on the track, how cases were made for/against match-ups, attitude, fitness and form. You didn't even consider that in selecting an unchanged team that perhaps the match committee are being bold.



I like it....it's like the MC saying, we're travelling fine, come and get us.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:01 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
You don't know who had a great week on the track, how cases were made for/against match-ups, attitude, fitness and form. You didn't even consider that in selecting an unchanged team that perhaps the match committee are being bold.



Very true.
Although I dont recall the same point being made too often in recent years Doc....

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:36 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
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[quote="BigBlueWave"]Another lost opportunity ... 'weak as water' by the MC. Still ... its what we have come to expect.


Why?

We are still trying to make finals , arguably not right time to blood kids

Continuity


Hmmm ... you can't have it both ways ... either we have a side thats good enough to cause trouble in September or we don't. Making the finals only to be ejected in the first week is a pathetic excuse for not taking risks at the selection table. There are players in the side that are not performing. For example ... Rowe. He and others have been given a good run the last few weeks ... so now ... why not try to improve the side ... why not shake it up. When you take risks you find out more about your players ... Now I know tricky Micky would like to make the finals (especially when he inherited a side that really should now be higher up the ladder) but if he is really about making this side better ... thats what he should be doing!

As for other comments about players in the vfl not knocking the door down ... I think those posters should go and have a look at the Northern Blues the last couple of weeks. There are several names that are up in lights and we need to start trying them out.

Pathetic by the MC. And yes it is as expected ... safe ... unimaginative and ultimately not in the best interests of the CFC. Even if we win against Fremantle ... and I hope we do (I'll be jumping for joy) ... in the long run it does not help when you don't take risks ... 1 or 2 changes would not stuff up the continuity of the side ... Pathetic by the MC.

Yep. We should win the flag by a record margin. Especially since MM inherited a team that..... er ....... um ........ a team that ...... well ....... got smashed by an expansion team that had won 3 games all together and had 9 of its best players out. Even uber-coach Ratten wouldn't be able to pull that one off, how do you expect a dud like Malthouse to do it.....


Well ... how many times did we beat Collingwood and Richmond last year ... enough said. Its an old story and we can go round and round ... last year Ratten was criticized when he could not get us to Prelim. Yes ... we do have a talented but under performing side. Forget about Ratten ... we are talking MC here who have a policy of being safe and unimaginative which is not in the best interests of the CFC.

Man I hope we win tomorrow night ... I've supported the Blues for 40 odd years ... and I just want the best possible outcome ... but sometimes you need to take risks to build a side ... opportunity lost ... badly done MC again.

He wasn't criticised for not getting us into a Prelim. He was criticised for:

- bad development;
- losing the players;
- having a game style that couldn't withstand good pressure;
- implementing inappropriate game plans that were picked apart by top teams.

..... and probably hundreds of other things that those folk who know a lot more than I about footy, could probably articulate.

Everyone in the world (except maybe you) knows he wasn't the right coach for this footy club. Now, will any coach make a difference, given the cesspool that over 20 years of mismanagement has left this club in? Who knows? But at least with Malthouse we have someone who has proved he can:
- turn around a club culture;
- extract the most from good ordinary players;
- build a team that can make it to consecutive preliminary finals;
- take a team ALL THE WAY (THREE TIMES NOW!!!!)

All Ratten could do was beat Collingwood and Richmond during the H&A season, quote stats, eat lollies, barrack hard, and ultimately fail.

I know which one I'd rather take a risk on.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:22 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
He wasn't criticised for not getting us into a Prelim. He was criticised for:

- bad development;
- losing the players;
- having a game style that couldn't withstand good pressure;
- implementing inappropriate game plans that were picked apart by top teams.

..... and probably hundreds of other things that those folk who know a lot more than I about footy, could probably articulate.

Everyone in the world (except maybe you) knows he wasn't the right coach for this footy club. Now, will any coach make a difference, given the cesspool that over 20 years of mismanagement has left this club in? Who knows? But at least with Malthouse we have someone who has proved he can:
- turn around a club culture;
- extract the most from good ordinary players;
- build a team that can make it to consecutive preliminary finals;
- take a team ALL THE WAY (THREE TIMES NOW!!!!)

All Ratten could do was beat Collingwood and Richmond during the H&A season, quote stats, eat lollies, barrack hard, and ultimately fail.

I know which one I'd rather take a risk on.


Accurate and well said. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:30 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
You don't know who had a great week on the track, how cases were made for/against match-ups, attitude, fitness and form. You didn't even consider that in selecting an unchanged team that perhaps the match committee are being bold.



Very true.
Although I dont recall the same point being made too often in recent years Doc....


Even more accurate and well said. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:43 pm 
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Is the Ratten @#$%&! fest still going?

Move on ffs

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:28 pm 
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Hawk mids belted by Rich mids in the first half today....don't really know what that's got to do with things...OK, I can't lie, it's an inference to Ratts' shit coaching of them.
Ratts isn't good enough to be Mick's 'piss boy'
It's good to be the king Mick

Cue verbs...I've got to let it go.

But we both agree that Britts was the man we f^&** up on, don't we?????

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:37 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
You don't know who had a great week on the track, how cases were made for/against match-ups, attitude, fitness and form. You didn't even consider that in selecting an unchanged team that perhaps the match committee are being bold.



Very true.
Although I dont recall the same point being made too often in recent years Doc..
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Even more accurate and well said. :thumbsup:


i recall the same point being made in recent years.......

.....by the Ratten faction! :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:20 pm 
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Well boys take a leaf out of port and tigers play book , both sides have stepped up this season And knocked off some deceit sides

Freo over here perfect opportunity, can't win this we truly aren't good enough


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:07 pm 
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Perfect reason why it's great to have games at the dome this time of year


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:28 pm 
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Bigredisback wrote:
Perfect reason why it's great to have games at the dome this time of year


Yep, not sure if we played against Freo when wet at the G that we would score at all.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:32 pm 
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Bigredisback wrote:
Well boys take a leaf out of port and tigers play book , both sides have stepped up this season And knocked off some deceit sides

Freo over here perfect opportunity, can't win this we truly aren't good enough


freudian?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:34 pm 
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We will win tonight and Siddle will bag 5 wickets


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King Kenny wrote:
We will win tonight and Siddle will bag 5 wickets



5 more wickets or 5 in total.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:38 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
You don't know who had a great week on the track, how cases were made for/against match-ups, attitude, fitness and form. You didn't even consider that in selecting an unchanged team that perhaps the match committee are being bold.


Very true.
Although I dont recall the same point being made too often in recent years Doc....


That doesn't matter but the fact of the matter does.

Exactly which point have you a claim to argue against? Interested.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:48 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Hawk mids belted by Rich mids in the first half today....don't really know what that's got to do with things...OK, I can't lie, it's an inference to Ratts' shit coaching of them.
Ratts isn't good enough to be Mick's 'piss boy'
It's good to be the king Mick

Cue verbs...I've got to let it go.

But we both agree that Britts was the man we f^&** up on, don't we?????


Richmond beat Hawthorn but we got Judd (box seat).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:04 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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We will win tonight and Siddle will bag 5 wickets



5 more wickets or 5 in total.


Total, hopefully more.


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