Of course it does, that's the point.

The deal being mooted is $5m over 5 years.

It's not, well Carlton, do you want to improve the list*, get Cloke and it'll be completely on your terms.

The question is, really, do you want an overrated KPF who barely averages 1.5 goals a game and make him the highest paid player at the club over the period of his contract with the potential to a) get very little on field return for the money on the table and b) possibly screw up future player salary structures, meaning we may have to let someone go to keep this overrated and overpaid hack on our books in 2016/17?

As I have have noted earlier a 3 year deal at a greatly reduced remuneration package might make sense. The reported asking price is so far in the player's favour it makes it untenable. Well, it would for any club with a savvy board and administration.

*That's entirely debatable as well.

I'd rather have Hawkins, Walker, Kennedy (just off the top of my head) long before Cloke and I dare say if you dangled a $5m/5yr contract in front of them (if they were available) I you'd sure get their attention.

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I would say why not for 6-700k a year for 5 years.

Fill that big ass hole in Carltons forward line. Waite never plays a full season, so would be good to have one of the best contested marks in the league when hes out.

We had Kennedy.. we traded him...

and those guys are not available.

We can keep crossing our fingers with Waite i suppose.

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Such a shame Kosi isn't up for grabs.

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&$@! no.

I go back and forth on Cloke but I'd seriously consider it. It would be a gamble obviously but it wouldn't cost us picks, players and cash like many of the other names brought up in this thread and if he got back to last years form we'd instantly be a much better team and a possible flag contender. Salary cap would be an issue but we'll be losing a few players to retirement over the next few years which should free up some space to upgrade contracts for the younger players. Glad I'm not the one making the call but I can see both sides of the argument and will support whatever the club ends up doing.

To partner Waite?

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Yeah, the dynamic duo.

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i said no, because we wont do it for a million. It will most likely be 800-850k for 5 years, and I would do it.

Waite probably had 2 years (maybe 20 games) left in his career, Casboult is still unknown and can't kick.

We need to go for it and we will.

No way. Club will lose members rather than gain and is overs by a country mile. His form has brought his value down by half.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Cloke is known and can't kick

Premiership and All Australian Centre Half Forward.

Much of the dislike of him surrounds the fact of who his dad is and the fact he plays for Collingwood. Also Collingwood people are making him out to be completely useless because they think they will lose him.

More of the dislike is that he is inconsistent and wants massive overs.
He wants a Buddy or Jon Brown contract, but he is not nearly as good as them.

And he won't be All Australian this year.

Largely true, though last year he was the best key forward in the comp, and you would think this year other factors have been at play which have messed with his form, but he has still kicked 45 goals.

I am not saying it will work, but if we get him and not give up any players in the process do it.

We have wanted a key forward for ages, and here is our chance. If he plays like he did in 2011 no one will complain. Maybe MM as coach will help him get back to that form.

We will get him for about 800k for 5 years, maybe less if we have MM as that would be a juicy enticement.

Based on his season, he is worth $250K if that.

Too much BS comes with him and his family of feral of bogans, so NO to that one.

I'd rather pay someone a $1m to each Levi to kick.

If he recaptured all-australian form and maintained it, he'd be worth around the 750K a year mark.

1 mil is redonkulous money. There's not too many players in the entire league worth that money, let alone cloke.

"Hey Darce. Here's a list of questions I want you to ask me about Travis Cloke, so I can put my media hat and have a crack at Carlton"

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/blog/eddie-mcguire-responds-to-luke-darcys-speculation-that-travis-cloke-might-sign-with-carlton/20120828-h1uu.html

After this I vote yes, just to see Eddie declare war on us and therefore making one of blueman's prophecies come true.

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I'm sorry, but that's absolutely ridiculous. Did you know the average AFL salaray in 2012 is $227K?

I know $750K to a million sounds like a ridiculous amount of money. And it is. But every AFL player earns a ridiculous amount of money. And gun players all the more so. Even Collingwood knows that Cloke is worth around $700K. And if you want to get a gun player from another club, you always have to pay overs.

And regardless of whether he's in peak form or not. Or whether you like his dad (and his moustache). Or his tattoos. Or his brother. Or whatever. He's clearly one of the best players in the competition playing in the most difficult position. I mean lots of people complain about the contract we gave Waite. One of the reasons we did was because it's so hard to find genuinely good key position forwards. And because recent premiership teams always have at least one.

2011 - Geelong - Hawkins (Podsiadly)
2010 - Collingwood - Cloke (Dawes)
2009 - Geelong - Mooney (Hawkins)
2008 - Hawthorn - Franklin, Roughead
2007 - Geelong - Mooney (Ottens)
2006 - West Coast - the most obvious aberration (Lynch)
2005 - Sydney - Hall
2004 - Port Adelaide - Tredrea
2001-2003 - Brown, Lynch, Bradshaw

Now I've loved what I've seen from Casboult as much as anyone. And I'm a huge fan of Waite. But when I look at our crop of Waite, Casboult, Hampson and Mitchell, I don't see an obvious big gun forward.

None of this means we should get him. Or even that we can get him. But can we actually discuss the pros and cons in a sensible manner?

Sure. I think that's what Collingwood wants to do as well.

But you'll need to speak to his old man, because $5m/5yrs is not sensible.

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2013 Casboult

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