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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:17 pm 
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Gavin Brown believes Jamo is the best contested mark at the club so the occasional stint up forward could be good for his overall development.
I just struggle to see him fitting in with Waite and Kruez/Hammer. (Not enough defensive pressure with 3 of them there)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:18 pm 
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It's going to be Henderson FORWARD .... no doubt!!!!! :razz:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:26 pm 
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Pretty obvious with Thornton being dropped and Duigan coming in that this will release Gibbs to play a more forward/midfield role this week. Most likely rotating with Judd.

Forward setup:

Betts Hampson Gibbs/Judd
Garlett Waite Armfield


That's pretty much how I see it as well except I would be swapping Robbo for Armfield and including Smurf in the Gibbs/Judd rotation

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:27 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
If Hendo plays well on Cloke, Jamo plays forward. If he doesn't, he'll play forward instead. Doubt it's much more complex than that.


Probably right Rhino, but we won't know that until the game's well underway and decisions will have to be made before then - that's the interesting
bit for mine. Based on the formula of two tall key forwards + plus a resting ruckmen we're starting out one short, (Thorton). Counting Bower as a
key defender, (not his best role, but for the sake of argument), and based again on the standard formula of two key defenders, we have an extra key defender, (Henderson, Jamison, Bower). So what's going to happen? No reason why we have to stick to a particular "formula" if it suits us better otherwise. Or, is one
of the key defender's going to play forward initially, if so who?

It's these little puzzles that I find really pique my interest in footy.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:39 pm 
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Can't believe T-bird has been dropped. Got to question dropping such an experianced player for such a big game.....

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:51 pm 
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With Jamo coming back in it was clearly Thornton or Bower.

Thornton's versatility is more valuable given our forward structure, but we know what Thornton has to offer at this stage. With Bower we really need to give him 10-12 weeks, see if his body can hold up and if he can recapture the run he was offering a few seasons ago. If he can do both of those things then he offers a different dimension. If he can't, then we can go back to Thornton and know he's ready and able to step back in.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:53 pm 
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I have a captains club general admission seat in m7 but am thinking I'd love the atmosphere standing up the back with the FERALS! Anyone keen to join me for a few froffy's wiff va toofless?

Going to be huge! Big big test this.

By the way it's funny to see all these media moguls heavily tipping our mob when only 2 weeks ago they told us the tigers were monty's :hitcomputer:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:10 pm 
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baz_baz wrote:
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Not so sure about Duigan for Thornton, reason being Duigan at 186 and Thronton at 192. Collingwood forward structure is tall. I know Duigan plays a little taller than 186 but i would prefer Thronton across Cloke as third up. Plus you can bet your bottom dollar that Jolly and Wood will play stints forward. Throw in Daws and I am just a little worried about our height down back.


eh? :confused:

Jamo for thornton. Duigan for Russell.

Jamo and Hendo key backs with bower, laidler, duigan to provide the chop out/3rd man up.
Jamo plays taller than Thornton and Duigan plays taller than Russell.


Thanks Jake however you missed the point

Jamison in and no need to take out another tall. So Jamison for Russell makes more sense in my view because of the tall Collingwood forward structure. That puts Duigan in for Thornton out and thats not ideal....in my view


Ohh well in that case I see what you're saying. Well I agree that Jamo had to come in and Russ had to be out for this one.
But I suppose we maintain the balance of the past two weeks a little better by swapping tbird for duigan as well.
My biggest concern is that Thornton was handy up forward and I feel we are one short with Walker still out.

Will be fascinating to see how the game pans out, and whether one of the defenders goes forward

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:11 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
If Hendo plays well on Cloke, Jamo plays forward. If he doesn't, he'll play forward instead. Doubt it's much more complex than that.


Probably right Rhino, but we won't know that until the game's well underway and decisions will have to be made before then - that's the interesting
bit for mine. Based on the formula of two tall key forwards + plus a resting ruckmen we're starting out one short, (Thorton). Counting Bower as a
key defender, (not his best role, but for the sake of argument), and based again on the standard formula of two key defenders, we have an extra key defender, (Henderson, Jamison, Bower). So what's going to happen? No reason why we have to stick to a particular "formula" if it suits us better otherwise. Or, is one
of the key defender's going to play forward initially, if so who?

It's these little puzzles that I find really pique my interest in footy.


I'd prefer to go in slightly smaller against the Pies.

Who are their small defenders?

O'Brien will probably go to Betts again. Who takes Garlett? Marty Clarke? With Laidler and Duigan being able to play tall, they can't really stretch us for height up forward, and with us playing small, possibly leaves someone like Keeffe with less game time, and an extra runner given more game time.

I'd like to see us perhaps try Robbo up forward as a hard tag on O'Brien or Maxwell, similar to a job he's done on Fletcher, so he can get Betts free, and doesn't allow him to be third man up. Arguably more effective than playing Jamo down there to take a tall.

If not, gives us the option of playing Gibbs up forward as a tag on Shaw also.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:25 pm 
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Duigan certainly didn't dominate in his VFL outing against Willy: Jamo looked more ready. I love Duigs but he hasn't earned his spot ahead of what Thornton has delivered so far and I'm not sure that's the "culture" we are trying to develop. Am concerned with removing Thornton's marking ability as Hammer no sure thing yet in the air.
Think the pundits may be right and if Hendo can handle Cloke then Jamo will get a turn up forward.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:32 pm 
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I agree with rhino, and I think the ins are about stacking the defence, pressing with bower and touhy, relying on the game being won in our half forward line, also pressing (and a tag on shaw), with mids coming through to kick the extra goals needed. 4 qtr of footy and we've arrived!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:40 pm 
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
Roy wrote:
Pretty obvious with Thornton being dropped and Duigan coming in that this will release Gibbs to play a more forward/midfield role this week. Most likely rotating with Judd.

Forward setup:

Betts Hampson Gibbs/Judd
Garlett Waite Armfield


That's pretty much how I see it as well except I would be swapping Robbo for Armfield and including Smurf in the Gibbs/Judd rotation


Replace Army with Walks in that fwd line and its..............porn :razz:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:09 pm 
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Tuohy Jamo Laidler
Yarran Hendo Bower
Simmo Judd Scotland
Garlett Waite Carrazzo
Betts Hammer Robbo

Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Inter: Curnow, Duigan, Lucas
Sub: Armfield

Not a bad side on paper. Walker is the only one missing that would certainly be in our best 22. Warnock maybe. An in-form JR would be, but he hasn't found his 2010 form yet. As I said earlier, I would have liked to see JR get another opportunity this week, but I accept he's on the fringes at the moment.

Is the backline too tall? I don't think so - Jamo, Laidler & Bower can all play on smaller opponents. My only slight concern is we look a forward marking option short. I know we want a mobile attack, but having T-Bird (an experienced defender who is a competent forward) in the side would mean we wouldn't have to resort to pushing Hendo or Jamo forward if things aren't working with Waite & Hammer/Kreuzer. Then again, great opportunity for Bower.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:09 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
We lose, we're not ready yet. Simple.

So at round 3 that would be us done and dusted then?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:19 pm 
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On league teams earlier tonight, Tony Shaw advised that the game is almost sold out and any Carlton members with GA memberships won't be allowed entry without a ore purchased ticket.
Can someone advise what type of ticket I need to get considering I already have a membership? Do I have to go via Ticketek or can we get them at the door?
Can someone please shed some light?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:23 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
BigKev wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
If Hendo plays well on Cloke, Jamo plays forward. If he doesn't, he'll play forward instead. Doubt it's much more complex than that.


Probably right Rhino, but we won't know that until the game's well underway and decisions will have to be made before then - that's the interesting
bit for mine. Based on the formula of two tall key forwards + plus a resting ruckmen we're starting out one short, (Thorton). Counting Bower as a
key defender, (not his best role, but for the sake of argument), and based again on the standard formula of two key defenders, we have an extra key defender, (Henderson, Jamison, Bower). So what's going to happen? No reason why we have to stick to a particular "formula" if it suits us better otherwise. Or, is one
of the key defender's going to play forward initially, if so who?

It's these little puzzles that I find really pique my interest in footy.


I'd prefer to go in slightly smaller against the Pies.

Who are their small defenders?

O'Brien will probably go to Betts again. Who takes Garlett? Marty Clarke? With Laidler and Duigan being able to play tall, they can't really stretch us for height up forward, and with us playing small, possibly leaves someone like Keeffe with less game time, and an extra runner given more game time.

I'd like to see us perhaps try Robbo up forward as a hard tag on O'Brien or Maxwell, similar to a job he's done on Fletcher, so he can get Betts free, and doesn't allow him to be third man up. Arguably more effective than playing Jamo down there to take a tall.

If not, gives us the option of playing Gibbs up forward as a tag on Shaw also.



No, Gibbs is far too good to tag.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:36 pm 
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No individual is bigger than the team.

Looking over the past few years when he has played against us - he's carved Carrazzo and Grigg up and been instrumental in their wins.

I remember that second game in 2008 when Gibbs towelled him up, arguably the difference in the game (not named Fev).

If quality users of the ball for Collingwood aren't getting their hands on it in the back half, then it greatly decreases their ability to use a forward press against us. Ergo, Gibbs is most valuable shutting down Shaw for mine.

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Megaman wrote:
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We lose, we're not ready yet. Simple.

So at round 3 that would be us done and dusted then?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:31 am 
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Ponkstar wrote:
There is no honourable loss for us tomorrow.

We win and the competition will continue to deride us but they will fear us.

We lose and they will simply continue to deride us.

I'm sick of the arrogance of the toothless granny-bangers.

But I'm equally sick of this whole "Carltank" nonsense, and the crap about the Visy sponsorship deal, and the smarmy attitudes of the eminently punchable Hawthorn supporters, and the West Coast supporters who think because they somehow managed to beat us by 3 points in a final where it was 25 vs 22 and we were missing 3 of our best they are somehow premiership contenders and we are just flat-track bullies...

Most of all I am just sick to death of the disrespect towards the CFC and its supporters. It's been well over a decade of this shit and I've had enough of it quite frankly.

Winning this game is all about respect and I can't pretend otherwise.


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Jamo playing forward...?

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