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 Post subject: Re: Inaccuracy
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:08 am 
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How many behinds have been rushed?

I think we're kicking the ball to the square, maybe to bring our crumbers into the game, rather than 20m out. The effect is the opposition can rush a behind.

What are the stats like for goals from the square?

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 Post subject: Re: Inaccuracy
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:06 am 
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Fev actually made a mention somewhere the other day that the number of players missing set shots is because they are too knackered after pushing all the way up and back the ground. Don't know if I necessarily subscribe to that theory but it is interesting at least.

Aramari - from those points is there a further breakdown of how many are rushed behinds and how many are from snap shots? I reckon our set shot kicking is as it's always been - about 60-65%. It's just we are putting the ball in deeper and making it easier for oppo sides to rush off the pack. I reckon moving the 'hot spot' to 20 out would see a much better conversion rate.

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 Post subject: Re: Inaccuracy
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:11 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Fev actually made a mention somewhere the other day that the number of players missing set shots is because they are too knackered after pushing all the way up and back the ground. Don't know if I necessarily subscribe to that theory but it is interesting at least.


That would assume that players are more accurate in the 1st 1/4 than last. I don't believe that is the case, but I haven't seen the stats. Just as an example, St Kilda kicked 7.1 in the 2nd half on Mon.

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 Post subject: Re: Inaccuracy
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:40 am 
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Our issue hasn't been accuracy overall I don't think, more accuracy early when we should be able to snuff the game out.
We kicked 5 straight in the last against Essendon*.


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 Post subject: Re: Inaccuracy
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:46 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Fev actually made a mention somewhere the other day that the number of players missing set shots is because they are too knackered after pushing all the way up and back the ground. Don't know if I necessarily subscribe to that theory but it is interesting at least.

Aramari - from those points is there a further breakdown of how many are rushed behinds and how many are from snap shots? I reckon our set shot kicking is as it's always been - about 60-65%. It's just we are putting the ball in deeper and making it easier for oppo sides to rush off the pack. I reckon moving the 'hot spot' to 20 out would see a much better conversion rate.

Edit: Note to self - read post above before posting!



I just went on the raw scoreboard, no stats.

I've also noticed the long kicks to contests inside 50 are going deeper than the classic hotspot. Maybe the rebound from the press is feared more than before? So they'd rather risk a rushed behind and set up for the kick in than risk a shallow turnover???


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 Post subject: Re: Inaccuracy
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:57 am 
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aramari wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Fev actually made a mention somewhere the other day that the number of players missing set shots is because they are too knackered after pushing all the way up and back the ground. Don't know if I necessarily subscribe to that theory but it is interesting at least.

Aramari - from those points is there a further breakdown of how many are rushed behinds and how many are from snap shots? I reckon our set shot kicking is as it's always been - about 60-65%. It's just we are putting the ball in deeper and making it easier for oppo sides to rush off the pack. I reckon moving the 'hot spot' to 20 out would see a much better conversion rate.

Edit: Note to self - read post above before posting!



I just went on the raw scoreboard, no stats.

I've also noticed the long kicks to contests inside 50 are going deeper than the classic hotspot. Maybe the rebound from the press is feared more than before? So they'd rather risk a rushed behind and set up for the kick in than risk a shallow turnover???


I'd agree to a oint. But there is no setup for a kickout anymore. If it is a shallow rushed behind then they can move the ball back up the ground lighting quick as there is no time for us to setup. Does anyone provide stats on what % of scores are rushed, snapped or set shots?

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 Post subject: Re: Inaccuracy
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 11:37 am 
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Heavs wrote:
aramari wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Fev actually made a mention somewhere the other day that the number of players missing set shots is because they are too knackered after pushing all the way up and back the ground. Don't know if I necessarily subscribe to that theory but it is interesting at least.

Aramari - from those points is there a further breakdown of how many are rushed behinds and how many are from snap shots? I reckon our set shot kicking is as it's always been - about 60-65%. It's just we are putting the ball in deeper and making it easier for oppo sides to rush off the pack. I reckon moving the 'hot spot' to 20 out would see a much better conversion rate.

Edit: Note to self - read post above before posting!



I just went on the raw scoreboard, no stats.

I've also noticed the long kicks to contests inside 50 are going deeper than the classic hotspot. Maybe the rebound from the press is feared more than before? So they'd rather risk a rushed behind and set up for the kick in than risk a shallow turnover???


I'd agree to a oint. But there is no setup for a kickout anymore. If it is a shallow rushed behind then they can move the ball back up the ground lighting quick as there is no time for us to setup. Does anyone provide stats on what % of scores are rushed, snapped or set shots?



Yeah I thought the same re quick kick-ins. Maybe I was just trying to rationalise incompetence :grin:


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