Gerry's point is well made though. Those names he has mentioned are very limited in the contributions they make as individuals. Lyon has certainly done very, very well to get them doing just enough in the complete team environment. The bottom 6 in most teams have to play their role, go when it is their turn and perform the grunt work to clear a path for the top 6 to execute their skills.

One of the things about the Cats, Pies and Saints that make them standout from the rest at the moment, is the ability for the lesser lights to come into the team when required and perform a set role, however simple and limited.

The Blues is a 'work in progress' in that area but it will come with some stability within the core 30 of the playing list.

Regards Cazzesman

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The Cats had a pretty good bottom 6 compared to the rest at their peak....and a pretty good top 12 also.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/d ... 5929436068

Just play your role.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Actually I am not sure I am way off the beam with the comparison with the Saints list. The two that we can't match are Goddard (thanks John Elliott!) and Lenny Hayes (if only we took him instead of Vance)

I guess I'd hoped Gibbs would develop into our Goddard. He is 4 years down on development but probably doesn't have the size or the ferocity to become Goddard. And I guess we are paying the price for not drafting any good in and unders over the last ten years. We got McLean to be our Lenny HAyes (he's not).

But Riewoldt is a star/ Judd plays different role but equally as influential and crucial. We did have a forward with the talent of Riewoldt, but unfortunately he was an idiot.
Murphy as good as Montagna
Gibbs should b better than Dal Santo
Hendo is as much value as Kosi up forward (Kosi is hopeless up forward when the ball hits the deck)
Waite could be as good as Fisher if he was only consistent
We are miles ahead of them in the rucks
Betts / Garlett /Yarran can be better than Milne/Schneider
Don't quite have a Gram, tho Russell and Armfield are good and getting better
Jammo and Bower are better than Gwilt/Dawson
Simmo is way better than Peake/Ray
Carrazzo is comparable with Jones
Scotto is better than Baker

We are several years behind with development and guns like Murph, Gibbs and Big K will be better in 2-3 years. I think we lack the experience of the Saints, lack their strong structure, incredible determination and ferocity, and their discipline. These are all coaching and head issues not talent issues.

Again, one or two crucial draft decisions can have huge impacts. Partly we are paying for woeful drafting between 1996 and 2001, and the draft penalties that cost us Goddard.

FWIW I actually agree with what you originally said....our list is as good as what you suggested but it lacks a KPP and tacticians....

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All in all your first line says it all.

Goddard and Hayes and Riewolt, are more important to this side than Lockett, Lowe, Harvey.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

All in all your first line says it all.

Goddard and Hayes and Riewolt, are more important to this side than Lockett, Lowe, Harvey.

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I hope Essendon* folds.