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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:37 pm 
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GO FISH!

Best luck with his recovery, I hope this pays off for him. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:06 pm 
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I swear to god this wasn't there a m inute ago :oops:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:38 pm 
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Apparently the operation is performed in a Sauna and you wake up dressed in a cable knit cardigan with a full face beard, long blonde hair, smoking a pipe and the nurse is beating you with Birch Leaves!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:43 pm 
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good luck to fisher in the recovery - look forward to seeing him in the team towards the second half of the season :)


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 Post subject: Re: Fisher tears ACL
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:10 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
The only real possible side effect of the LARS operation is that the patient wakes up next to someone Swedish. :wink:



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 Post subject: Re: Fisher tears ACL
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:20 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
The only real possible side effect of the LARS operation is that the patient wakes up speaking Swedish. :wink:

Not true Doc... the tech still isn't quite there. But as you said, this is a partial tear, so with any luck the faux ligament will simply become a fairly insignificant part of the structure.

In 5 - 10 years this will be a good surgery, but right now the tech they use for the synthetics presents some quality of life issues over time. Certainly LARS for a full tear is not up to scratch just yet; I mean who the hell wants structural warping in their leg??

This is the kind of desperation I'm worried about; player's career on the line and they go with the short-term view. We should just be glad it wasn't too dire a situation ala Malceski.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:55 pm 
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Hot off the press...we managed to get the video of the Brad Fisher operation. Kids...don't try this at home...

...but if you do, you will need the following -

2 shoe horns
1 black and decker cordless drill
1 tennis racquet stringing machine
1 hammer
1 metre of cat gut
1 pair of scissors
1 surgical suction hose (dental will do fine)

Good Luck!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:15 pm 
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Doesnt need an operation just go ask DeJuan Blair. DeJuan Blair has no ACLs and plays very successfully for the Spurs in the NBA and thats with both knees gone...he is a big unit with strong hammys and quads.
Its all in the landing when you jump according the experts who seem baffled by Blairs abilities.....23 boards and 20 odd points in the NBA rookie game though is proof that he has no restrictions....


You can check out Blair on this link...


http://www.slate.com/id/2234460/

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:41 pm 
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But what I want to know is, did Fish get the music?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:18 am 
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wasthesonofapreacherman wrote:
But what I want to know is, did Fish get the music?

:lol:

Or the thick Greek accent. I would have loved him to be Fish's surgeon, as he may not have even gotten the chance to meet his doc until anaesthesia. That would have been classic.

"Nice to meet you Doc"
"We're gonna fix you up, don't worry."
"Whaaa..."
*Fish goes under*

Apologies for playing on racial stereotypes. ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:52 pm 
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LARS chance in time of kneed for Brad Fisher

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Records show there were 10 LARS knee reconstructions in Australia in 2006.

Last year, according to the distributor of the product Corin, there were about 750.

This year, the figures will surge further.

"While LARS has been approved for use in Australia for over 10 years, the use of LARS has grown significantly from 2007 onwards," Corin managing director Ross Vallis said.

"Approximately 1500 LARS ligaments were implanted in Australia in 2009.

While there has been high-profile usage of LARS in ACL repair in Australia, only just over a half of these implants in 2009 were for the ACL (anterior cruciate ligament)."

Vallis said LARS ligaments have been in use overseas, through Europe and Canada for 18 years and claims more than 40,000 LARS ligaments have been implanted.

It seems we have been slow to catch on in Australia, perhaps for geographical reasons.

Slow to catch up? Do the math Stevens: we've surged ahead of world practice at an alarming rate.

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Yet, despite the LARS revolution, the procedure is yet to be approved by US medical authorities because of fears of the effect of the synthetic implant on patients after five to 10 years down the track.

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Norsworthy admitted to some added anxiety on Fisher because at 192cm and 86kg, he is a marking player.

Rodan and Malceski are more ground-level runners.

"That's kind of why I'm a little bit nervous about Fish," Norsworthy said.

"There's probably less load on a graft in a smaller player than a tall, marking-type player.

"He's not huge, Fish, but he gets his ball in the air.

He doesn't get in on the ground much.

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"I'm trying to do it only on people who really need it."

:idea:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:21 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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Yet, despite the LARS revolution, the procedure is yet to be approved by US medical authorities because of fears of the effect of the synthetic implant on patients after five to 10 years down the track.

:idea:

I see this as a legitimate concern for the general public, but not really for a athlete.

If the synthetic implant has degraded in 5-10 years time, just rip it out and whack in another one.

If the player is at retirement age (and their worried about it deteriorating again), they can then go with the traditional surgery.

Or is what I'm saying medically infeasible?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:39 pm 
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I think the concern is premature arthritis.

For Fisher it was a last gasp effort to prolong an AFL career. Probably hasnt worked. But many AFL players will take the risk of arthritis if they need to.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:24 pm 
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Anyone who's ever seen a 45+yo ex AFL player walking around knows that they don't need a LARS reco to give them early-onset arthritis.

Some of those guys are just smashed to pieces. It's a hard, hard sport.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:47 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I think the concern is premature arthritis.

No the concern is that after 10 - 15 years, a healthy person will need an op no matter what. I can see applications for fading sports stars and the elderly, but for the average person, this version of synthetic grafting is stupid.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:48 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I think the concern is premature arthritis.

For Fisher it was a last gasp effort to prolong an AFL career. Probably hasnt worked. But many AFL players will take the risk of arthritis if they need to.


With our lack of marking forwards I reckon it has saved him. We're not that flush that we can get rid of probably our best contested mark.

Wonder if he'll go with a traditional reco once his career is finished. The other risk of the LARS treatment is infection as it's not a real tissue.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:07 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
I think the concern is premature arthritis.


Pfft, I've got family history for that. Didn't need to bother with the rigours of an AFL playing career! :lol:

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