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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:17 am 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
Mike shhehan has his opinion. Good luck. He may be right, he may be wrong.
I don't think his record as a footy Nostradamus is all that great.
Why is this article getting so much oxygen?


..cos we have too much free time on our hands..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:28 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
Mike shhehan has his opinion. Good luck. He may be right, he may be wrong.
I don't think his record as a footy Nostradamus is all that great.
Why is this article getting so much oxygen?


Very little self-discipline to not read the rag.

The general public need to HTFU! :razz:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:22 pm 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
IKennedy and Palmer might have been great for us


I'd still like Kennedy. Not particularly interested in Palmer. A good average midfielder in my opinion. Not much more. Same with Masten from that draft as well. If we'd stayed in that draft, I would have been going for Cale Morton with our next pick.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:33 pm 
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Players Picked in Top 20 Currently on Lists
Melbourne x15
Carlton x14

Players Picked in Top 10 Currently on Lists
Melbourne x5
Carlton x9


1 Scully
1 Watts
2 Trengove
3 Silvia
4 Morton

11 Gysberts
12 Frawley
12 Jones
13 Bate
14 Grimes
14 Bell
15 Dunn
17 Blease
18 Tapscott
19 Strauss

1 Kruezer
1 Gibbs
1 Murphy
2 Walker
3 Judd
5 McLean
6 Yarran
8 Henderson
9 Russell

12 Lucas
15 Wiggins
17 Hampson
19 Grigg
20 Bower

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:35 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I agree with Sheehan. I think Trengove, Scully, Gysberts show more in their first season than Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer did in theirs. We can still improve our list in future drafts but my concern is our window is open for the next 4 years, while Judd is at his peak. Melbourne looks like they could contend within in 2 years and there Window is open for a decade. Anyway, this is all based on speculation and gut feeling but I think his article is more analytical than biased. I also remember Sheehan being pro Carlton in late 2007. I still think we are a key position player short at both ends and at least one A grade midfielder (to ease the pressure on Judd). Melbourne look only to be missing a key forward---if Watts develops, maybe 2 if he doesn't.


I remember an article early in Murphy's career comparing his first year to Judd.

And pls show me another first yr ruck who did as well as Kruez.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:45 pm 
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fraser murphy wrote:
keogh wrote:
I only read Sheahans articles if I am on LSD


That's what you'd choose to do when tripping?

Without a doubt that is the stupidest thing you've said on here keogh.





But I never taken LSD which means I never read the cauliflower articles


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:48 pm 
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People still read his stuff :confused: :screwy: :? :!: :|

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:49 pm 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
Players Picked in Top 20 Currently on Lists
Melbourne x15
Carlton x14

Players Picked in Top 10 Currently on Lists
Melbourne x5
Carlton x9


1 Scully
1 Watts
2 Trengove
3 Silvia
4 Morton

11 Gysberts
12 Frawley
12 Jones
13 Bate
14 Grimes
14 Bell
15 Dunn
17 Blease
18 Tapscott
19 Strauss

1 Kruezer
1 Gibbs
1 Murphy
2 Walker
3 Judd
5 McLean
6 Yarran
8 Henderson
9 Russell

12 Lucas
15 Wiggins
17 Hampson
19 Grigg
20 Bower



Missed Brad Green taken at 19 VB :smile: 16-14


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:53 pm 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I agree with Sheehan. I think Trengove, Scully, Gysberts show more in their first season than Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer did in theirs. We can still improve our list in future drafts but my concern is our window is open for the next 4 years, while Judd is at his peak. Melbourne looks like they could contend within in 2 years and there Window is open for a decade. Anyway, this is all based on speculation and gut feeling but I think his article is more analytical than biased. I also remember Sheehan being pro Carlton in late 2007. I still think we are a key position player short at both ends and at least one A grade midfielder (to ease the pressure on Judd). Melbourne look only to be missing a key forward---if Watts develops, maybe 2 if he doesn't.


I remember an article early in Murphy's career comparing his first year to Judd.

And pls show me another first yr ruck who did as well as Kruez.


I think people have forgotten how good Murph's first 12 games were before he got injured. He was tagged from about his third game.

I think Sheehan is missing the comparative depth of the two lists. We've got very few on-field flaws now, and guys queing up to play seniors. Whilst Melbourne is putting together a reasonable senior team with some clear areas of strength, it still has holes and they will have very little capacity to fix those, or build the sort of depth we already have, over the next several drafts. I think they'll end up a lot like the Melbourne sides of early last decade, up and down like a yoyo because they don't have sufficient depth to cover their injuries. They are much better placed than Richmond, but their time in the sun is still many years away IMO.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:12 pm 
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nightcrawler wrote:
Virgin Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I agree with Sheehan. I think Trengove, Scully, Gysberts show more in their first season than Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer did in theirs. We can still improve our list in future drafts but my concern is our window is open for the next 4 years, while Judd is at his peak. Melbourne looks like they could contend within in 2 years and there Window is open for a decade. Anyway, this is all based on speculation and gut feeling but I think his article is more analytical than biased. I also remember Sheehan being pro Carlton in late 2007. I still think we are a key position player short at both ends and at least one A grade midfielder (to ease the pressure on Judd). Melbourne look only to be missing a key forward---if Watts develops, maybe 2 if he doesn't.


I remember an article early in Murphy's career comparing his first year to Judd.

And pls show me another first yr ruck who did as well as Kruez.


I think people have forgotten how good Murph's first 12 games were before he got injured. He was tagged from about his third game.

I think Sheehan is missing the comparative depth of the two lists. We've got very few on-field flaws now, and guys queing up to play seniors. Whilst Melbourne is putting together a reasonable senior team with some clear areas of strength, it still has holes and they will have very little capacity to fix those, or build the sort of depth we already have, over the next several drafts. I think they'll end up a lot like the Melbourne sides of early last decade, up and down like a yoyo because they don't have sufficient depth to cover their injuries. They are much better placed than Richmond, but their time in the sun is still many years away IMO.



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:33 am 
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But what about the infamous Booze Cruize, and Fev's antics on Brownlow night, and Seranta kicking Cloke.
Surely all that needs to be taken into account (?)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:17 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I agree with Sheehan. I think Trengove, Scully, Gysberts show more in their first season than Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer did in theirs. We can still improve our list in future drafts but my concern is our window is open for the next 4 years, while Judd is at his peak. Melbourne looks like they could contend within in 2 years and there Window is open for a decade. Anyway, this is all based on speculation and gut feeling but I think his article is more analytical than biased. I also remember Sheehan being pro Carlton in late 2007. I still think we are a key position player short at both ends and at least one A grade midfielder (to ease the pressure on Judd). Melbourne look only to be missing a key forward---if Watts develops, maybe 2 if he doesn't.


.. ..no way.. ..i reckon yer way off here.. ..Murph in his first year was quickly on his way to being one of our best mids until his injury.. ..admittedly Gibbs didn't set the world alight, but he was v.young when drafted.. ..as for Krooz, not sure what you would expect off a 1st year ruck but he exceeded all expectations.. ..also, the dee's are making their climb back up the ladder, while in murph and gibbs first years we as a team were still spoon contenders.. ..there's variables yer maybe not taking into account [like us losing stevo in 07]..

Well, obviously the argument is Melbourne are not Carlton, so they're bound to have a better list and greater potential than us..
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:21 pm 
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3 of our top 10 picks (Judd/McLean/Henderson) have been trades.
Not sure why but I thought I would throw that in. :lol:


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