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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:28 am 
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- Walker, im really not sure how people rate him in the best in the MVP thread.... his disposal is disgraceful


I guess it is all about perception really. According to the AFL his efficiency rating was 76% for his 29 Poss. Same as Judd and Scotland and far better than Murphy.

I looked up the top 30 kick getters in the AFL so far this year. The average efficiency for that lot is 72%.

He can be frustrating but he is certainly getting better. As long as he doesn't try and drill the ball like a missle and weights it more I am happy. His defensive efforts and run are what we need if we are to go top 4.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:34 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
As long as he doesn't try and drill the ball like a missile and weights it more I am happy.



That's my beef with the rest of the team also. Most of Robinson's turnovers come from the same thing.
Walker had phased it out of his game prior to his injury. I'll allow him this week as a warm-up.

I hope its something the coaching staff really focus on this week. In the first 1/2 3 of the WCE goals came from missile passes that didnt work

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 11:35 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
hollywood43 wrote:
PROS
- Robinson... in my opinion he should ALWAYS be in our 22... his efforts at the man and the ball are inspirational
- Jacobs... im loving this blokes work... worked hard against 2 quality ruckmen.... i applaud Ratts for persisting with him, much better than Warnock
- Russell... this bloke is fast becoming one of the best defenders in the afl, i never thought id ever say that
- We won

CONS
- Walker, im really not sure how people rate him in the best in the MVP thread.... his disposal is disgraceful
- Our goal kicking, if we were playing a good team we would have got beaten
- Should have buried them... percentage is crucial


Geez Hollywood...how can anyone take your comment about Walker's disposal when you describe it as 'digraceful'?
A slight exaggeration don't you think?

Obviously most other posters saw things differently to you. I'm just another one of them.

agree with u 100% bondi


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 12:45 pm 
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Pros
Lots- not sure why Gibbs is getting a bagging after a quality high possession game
Cons
Junk time fades
I use to blame the defenders, but have they got any options? They chip it about and lose control time after time, but is there any movement in the mids and forwards for them to work to? I saw little offering for them in time on periods yesterday, and it has seemed much the same in several games this year. Our quality mid field takes time off at the end of quarters too often IMO. If they are tired, that's what rotations are for.
The last goal yesterday really crapped me off. If there is time for another goal to be scored it should be ours.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:07 pm 
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PROs

4 points
intensity when lights on

CONs

lights off

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:08 pm 
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PROS:-

GIBBS.
Don't care what Ratten says (and I don't always go for stats either) but Gibbs was BOG easily. Sure, he hardly had an opponent for most of the day but he's decision making was on-song (unlike some) and he's disposal was probably the best of all our players all day. Loved his contested mark late in the last qtr.

JUDD.
I reckon he was pretty damn influencial yesterday without picking up too many possesions.

JAMO
Love how he goes about directing traffic in the backline. True profesional and leader.

JACOBS & KREUZER Vs NIC-NAT & COX
I've said it all year that Jacobs and Kreuzer are our best ruck option. Jacobs is far better around the ground than Hammer and Warnock. He's a great mark. I think he is deserving of his spot in this side and he is yet another brilliant rookie pick up (I was suggesting that he was worthy of our 2nd pick)
Even though we were smashed in the ruck yesterday, i think Kreuzer and Jacobs tap work was more advantageous to us than Nic-Nats and Cox's were to their players. Plus, I reckon Jacobs and Kreuzer had more of an impact around the ground.

SCOTLAND
What a year he's having!


SETANTA.
Putting him down as a positive because to kick 3 goals with some terrible inside 50's directed towards him was a great effort.

GARTLETT
Great attack and so full of magic, but needs to work on his genuine skills (such as kicking)


CONS:

BACKWARD PLAY
I come on here and say it every week and some people disagree, but I'll hold my ground and say that this 'kicking backwards' Basketball style of play will not win us a premiership....... it wont even win us a final. We stood the chance to win by 10 goals yesterday but we stuffed around to much by going backwards

McLEAN
Nup - not sold on him at all. And to rub salt into the wounds, the pick that we traded to Melbourne for McLean picked up 28 possesions playing on Ablett! OH GOD!

GAME
Overall, it was shit!

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:13 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Pros
- We are in a position to bitch about a 5 goal win. :clap: :clap: :donk: :thumbsup: :smoking:
- Walker, great start to game.
- Murphy did some nice defensive things today.
- Robinson was great early.
- Cemented our place in the 8.

Cons
- That last quarter was absolute shit!
- Mental toughness still needs sharpening up, which is to be expected, but I had hoped for better given our dominance everywhere except scoreboard.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:41 pm 
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Pros

The continual improvement from Sauce. Great follow up efforts after the ruck contest. Maybe hard for 206 to get back ?

Jeffy G - nice comeback after a couple of below par weeks. Gee he's fast :eek:

Russell, 1AW, Gibbs and Jamo. Quickly becoming one of the best backlines around, and if you add Bower and Armfield, potentially the best ?

Ando and Browne. Thought they did their bit. Good back up players now, with the potential to improve further. Every team needs depth players.

Murph. Elite class now, he murdered them - great goal too :clap:

Robbo's energy and tackling. Has the brain fades but they really do know he's out there.

Tackling was back up where it needs to be if we're going to win consistently :thumbsup:

Cons

Poor kicking only cost us a 10 goal win (9 more scroing shots and half of them were sodas)

Brock tried hard and laid tackles etc, but just seems slow in the head AND legs. Can he improve ?


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:37 pm 
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graemep wrote:
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I use to blame the defenders, but have they got any options? They chip it about and lose control time after time, but is there any movement in the mids and forwards for them to work to? I saw little offering for them in time on periods yesterday, and it has seemed much the same in several games this year. Our quality mid field takes time off at the end of quarters too often IMO. If they are tired, that's what rotations are for.


I agree graeme.

If there are no options ahead, do supporters want to bomb it long to the opposition, to a pack?
That's OK, but if no one is presenting up ahead and we have players presenting behind or on the side with a view of taking the ball around the pack ahead, I can't see anything wrong with that.

Sure the old "when in doubt bomb it long can create opportunities" has some credence, but it is a case of Russian Roulette when we don't have the talls who win the contested mark more than not ahead of the ball, (let alone on our list), and the opposition are stacking their backline or creating clusters or forward pressure.

Kerna and Swan McKay were on different Team lists from bygone eras. They were great pack marks. We just don't have dominant pack marks today, although we may in the future with our developing players like Kreuzer, Jacobs, Henderson, Hammer, Warnock, etc, but they are not reliable at the pack mark right at this moment.

If Ratts tells them to kick long to a pack, that's another story.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 4:40 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
And to rub salt into the wounds, the pick that we traded to Melbourne for McLean picked up 28 possesions playing on Ablett! OH GOD!




I think that says more about Ablett than Gysberts.


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:23 pm 
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Pro; We won

Con: We didn't win by enough. Percentage could be very important.
Not to mention all the punters like myself who backed the Blues at the margin of 34.5 points - that after the final siren goal
by Kennedy cost us big time, before that the margin was 35 pts. A direct result of a turnover during the chip it around phase.
Murphy in his column on the Carlton website explains why they do it, which made me feel a little less dirty about it.

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:57 pm 
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hollywood43 wrote:
- Walker, im really not sure how people rate him in the best in the MVP thread.... his disposal is disgraceful


You need to visit OPSM this week...

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:04 pm 
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Pros

No more Sunday matches for a while. We have had 6 weeks of Sun/Mon matches. The worst thing about is watching the matches on channel 7's delayed coverage. It was pathetic!


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:17 pm 
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KoRn wrote:
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No more Sunday matches for a while. We have had 6 weeks of Sun/Mon matches. The worst thing about is watching the matches on channel 7's delayed coverage. It was pathetic!


Give me Saturday games anytime.

Friday a close 2nd

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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:23 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
KoRn wrote:
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No more Sunday matches for a while. We have had 6 weeks of Sun/Mon matches. The worst thing about is watching the matches on channel 7's delayed coverage. It was pathetic!


Give me Saturday games anytime.

Friday a close 2nd


Agreed.

I read Murph's responses to people's questions on the CFC website and thought he responded well and addressed a few issues which have been bought up a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:57 pm 
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Juddment Day wrote:

I dont get why no one is mentioning Simon White in our list of players to return


With Fish off the LTI list White I believe has had to go back to rookie status.


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 Post subject: Re: R10: Pros & cons
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:12 pm 
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ianh wrote:
Juddment Day wrote:

I dont get why no one is mentioning Simon White in our list of players to return


With Fish off the LTI list White I believe has had to go back to rookie status.


I think its to do with Fisher returning from LTI and White going back to the rookies.
White can be in the frame as the selected rookie not requiring an LTI to play after round 11 ?????

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